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hey this is Sean

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and this is Jay

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and you're watching witness citizen

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happy Wednesday night how are you doing

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sir I'm doing really well how are you

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doing happy birthday to you yeah

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we celebrate Wednesdays here that's

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right we're Wednesday celebrators we we

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believe in the power of hump day over

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here yeah

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no my turkey day was good I did the the

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parents thing the the in-laws thing so

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uh I had a lot of Thanksgiving food yep

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um you know and that was pretty good

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that was pretty good what about you did

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did you go back home or anything or how

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did you celebrate well kind of all that

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yeah I went I went uh to my my partner's

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mom's house outside Columbus Ohio and

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that was fun and so we had like a lot of

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um traditional Ohio style Regional

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cooking uh which was delicious and uh

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yeah it was great a lot of cheesy

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potatoes and stuff like that that like

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was definitely not on the diet plan

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beforehand and this is

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cut off from the diet plan again as of

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now but um

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all right

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and then when they're on the table and

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they're just tempting you and you're

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just looking at them it's like it'd be

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rude to say no it'd be yep yeah I'll

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just take this piece right here and then

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and then all of a second you know in

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seconds it's thirds oh yeah yep good

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good good so you know the the UAP uh

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kind of news circuit is

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you know

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kind of slow isn't it

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what do you think well it there's a

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slowness and I feel like there's like

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both a slowness and a fastness that's

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happening right now in a way because the

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slowness is that we are anticipating

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this big um this UAP task force report

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um the second iteration of that and we

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got one I mean the one thing is all

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right we got one last year and it kind

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of sucked it wasn't that great you know

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what I mean it was okay you know what I

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mean it it said it had some numbers in

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it that we could use as talking points

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and then other than that there wasn't a

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whole lot there you know there it was

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just like oh well this is the amount of

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things we were looking at here's what we

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could identify here's what we couldn't

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identify and all the rest of it

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um basically uh Fu American public

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that's for closed door hearings

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um that's it uh thanks a good day so

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we've been waiting for this since

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October 31st when it was supposedly due

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and um and a lot of people in our

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community have been like have been

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griping like all day every day

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and I'm I'm not immune to this myself

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I've done the same thing like looking at

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my watch wondering what's going on and

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at the same time like

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wait wait wait

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your watch tells you what's going on

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no you know I'm looking at my watch

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thinking like you know it's you know

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it's four weeks overdue or whatever and

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so it's a silverdo homework but at the

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same time like it sucked you know the

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the report was was not great last time

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so what do we you know we're waiting for

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something that's going to disappoint us

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that's that's sick isn't it it is I

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think that's sick I don't know if it's

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the definition of insanity but it's not

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it's not it's not maybe the best way to

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go and roll into the holiday season it's

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kind of like it's like if you

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um you know set up this time to have

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coffee with uh a girl you're really into

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right got a super big crush on

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but you kind of know that she's not

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really into you but you don't pay

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attention to that part of your brain

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telling you that you're just excited to

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go and meet with her so you go and you

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know you're super into it and she's like

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yeah you know I like you as a friend

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and you're you kind of feel stupid that

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you're even excited for this to begin

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with because in the end she doesn't like

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you like that you know right next with

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the UAP report is you're you're excited

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wow UAP report but you but you're not

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paying attention to the part in your

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brain that's Sonia it's not gonna be

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one of my favorite Parts about this is

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that that for in the in the picture that

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you set up it's basically she's she's

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just not that into you but you is the

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American public and she is like

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somewhere between the government and the

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military-industrial complex or something

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um whatever makes it make more sense

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yeah exactly so yeah we'll see we'll see

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uh there was this interview today uh uh

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John Greenwell did with uh uh Mr Taylor

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the the chief scientist for the UAP task

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force and they touched on it a little

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bit and and Taylor Dr Taylor uh seemed

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to say that it was more so you know a

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shuffling of the Congress people and you

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know nobody knows what they're doing in

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the in the house right now because

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there's so much going on and new people

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are taking over and reports are laid all

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the time and it's not a big deal and

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it's not some weird conspiracy thing

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and you know that's fine and dandy to me

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but um

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you know the first of all they set a

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precedent with the first report even

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though it wasn't that great it was still

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on time

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um true and um

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leaks in the media the New York Times

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Julian Barnes came out and you know

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um from his Anonymous DOD sources and

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said this is just Chinese drones go to

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bed people and there was another leak to

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the is it Daily News Daily Mail Daily

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Mail yeah that was like uh there's

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actually Reaper drones that caught orbs

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in the Middle East darting off the

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camera

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so you have these leaks see from kind of

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you know um competing sides for a

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different narrative each are kind of

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going for a different narrative and

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you know you're telling me Oh it's it's

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just late nobody's paying attention it's

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no big deal

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uh I don't know I think you know I think

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it's to me it seems clear that maybe

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this report was kind of either turned in

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um you know the the contents of it were

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brief to to Congress or whoever and

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they weren't happy with it and they're

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redoing it that's probably what's going

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on in my opinion but you know

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um it was just late and nobody's

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communicating I feel like somebody would

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be loud about that you know whether it's

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gillibrand or whoever they would they

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would say

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you know because it's pretty much like

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they're just sticking their middle

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finger up at them like I know yeah we're

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supposed to do this report but you know

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nobody cares you know so good luck yeah

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and then at the same time there's also

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like kind of a weird complicitness right

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because uh gillibrand isn't saying

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anything about it and Rubio isn't saying

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anything about it and the normal people

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that were used to kind of looking around

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and and looking for progress on this

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issue over the last couple years are

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weirdly quiet you know

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um uh all we have is like Tim Burchette

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on on like Jay on like Jay Anderson show

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we're at Project Unity

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sorry to interrupt but by the way the

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temperature you know God bless him he's

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coming out there and talking about UFOs

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and stuff but there's nothing I dislike

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more about somebody who's who's just

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kind of complains and doesn't come up

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with the solution to fix anything right

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it's just like uh we're getting snowed

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this is all a cover-up don't expect to

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see anything why do you trust the

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government it's like okay well

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I'm gonna get to the bottom of it or I'm

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gonna do what I can you know it's a very

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good point to like fix it all he does is

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like kind of Debbie down or everything

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it's like nobody needs that that's a

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very good point I mean it makes you

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wonder like is that kind of you know we

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we know we've been in the game long

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enough that we recognize that government

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isn't just like a monolith and there's

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lots of little moving parts and things

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like that and different different

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factions and stuff like that and at the

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same time if like almost everybody but

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one person is being completely quiet

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about stuff and then the other guy's

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nothing's ever gonna happen then it

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seems like they're all kind of playing

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for the same team in a weird

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yeah totally

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and it's almost kind of like uh

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somebody probably oh sorry you're

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breaking up on me a little bit here okay

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I'm back but it it it's almost like I

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could almost see someone like poking

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them to say that just tell everybody

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nothing's gonna happen would you like

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yeah it's getting out of hand because I

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mean well another thing is that that

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kind of happened the other day as well

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when um Danny Sheehan went on to Jimmy

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church I don't know if you saw that

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interview I saw it I did I saw I didn't

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see the whole thing you know there's

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usually you know you can watch Danny

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Shan for like two hours and often you

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can kind of zero in for about 40 minutes

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and get the gist of of what he what the

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points that he wants to circle on

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um I should have watched the whole thing

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but like uh so he was saying that

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there's no report because there's no

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office basically that the office is like

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a show for the most part

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um that he thinks uh I mean correct me

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if I'm wrong here but it sounded like he

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was basically like well they know that

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they're a Sitting Duck once the new

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right the new

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um funding bill gets passed which will

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create a new office and so they're just

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sitting sitting on their hands because

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they know that whatever they do is going

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to be rendered defunct with them

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like rendered obsolete within like days

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to weeks anyway right so who cares and

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you know I mean I do kind of understand

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the element of that where it's like well

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if we just wait until the you know

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if we just wait until the end of winter

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then we're not going to have to

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winterize the tires for another nine

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months or whatever you know what I mean

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and although that makes uh a lot of

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sense you know if that were the case

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right like if you know you're gonna get

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fired why to put in 100 effort kind of

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thing right but

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I also don't know how true that could

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possibly be again like listening to Doc

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Taylor today he was asked how many

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people were part of the UAP task force

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and he said at least one person from

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every government agency was involved at

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meetings he was at there would be you

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know 15 16 people there you know and

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they put out a report and all that stuff

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and they meet and do the thing and they

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were restricted by covid but they still

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had meetings and looked at videos and

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photos and data and all this so like

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that's a that's a task force that's not

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you know nothing that's not nothing and

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it's something and I remember she in on

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Jimmy Church saying something there was

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there was uh the on the initial report

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the first report we got that it was like

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400 some pages long and I I don't know

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that that uh proved to be correct but

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it's interesting to me because both

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can't be true right you can't have a UAP

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task force that doesn't exist it's fake

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it's a shell or it it's a yeah it's a

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ruse but yet put together for some page

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report so

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yeah

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right I don't know about that but

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you know just just being honest but you

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know he's also in the loop because he's

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you know uh Lou Alexander's attorney so

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he's got to have more information

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than you know we do

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yeah you know so I don't I don't know

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some it's like

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you know and nothing nothing against him

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you know I'm just talking about stuff

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I've noticed but in in the UFO community

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in general from the little time I've

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been here I've noticed there's

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there's kind of a lot of that there's

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some truth there's some made up stuff

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and then there's some stuff like I don't

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know what you're talking about and you

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kind of have to decipher which is which

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and it's can be frustrating but you know

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you got to do what you got to do

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you're absolutely right I mean there's

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there's a lot of especially when you're

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getting that close to Capitol Hill it

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seems like or you're anywhere near kind

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of like Suburban Virginia like that

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whole area especially for some reason it

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seems like for many reasons

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um I just think it's it's like baked

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into the formula that they're going to

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give you like three talking points and

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and like four pieces of spin because

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that's what that's what you know

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government officials do that's what like

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I see people do that's what military

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industrial complex people do and like

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you know I think it's important to

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recognize that we you know you're

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talking about you know The Black Vault

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you're talking about John Greenwald

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earlier and things like that you know

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and and

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you know it's it's important to to

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highlight to people that you know from

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John's perspective he's like

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he presents himself as if he's leaking

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these classified not leaking but he's

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presenting these classified documents

349
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these you know these secretive documents

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um from you know the military that are

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often you know he's foyering he's great

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at foying

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um and he is gonna get out what he can

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right and at the same time be you know

355
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like there's there's definitely a

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long-standing situation where

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he's just publishing what they want him

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to publish like they're just publishing

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what he what what they're he's

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publishing what they're allowing him to

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publish no just to seek none of this is

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secret like none of this this is all

363
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[\h__\h] is in the recycling then as far as

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I'm concerned there you know they're not

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going to give him anything interesting

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and like who does he talk to when he

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goes there he talks to Susan who is like

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who is like the the the the you know the

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like defensive tight end of like the

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whole operation over over in the

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disinformation wing of the Pentagon or

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whatever right I mean that's that's what

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she does so you know I don't understand

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like like that's that doesn't seem like

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a really

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viable route for for anything that'll

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ever approach transparency every

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anything that will ever be the full

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truth about anything because there's you

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know we've all known for many years that

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that's that's not how they operate

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that's not what they're paid to do

383
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that's not what any of those people are

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paid to do

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yeah it's uh it's interesting I mean on

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the one hand we've learned a lot of good

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things from from foia you know stuff

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from in the past whether it be like all

389
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the blue book case files or or what have

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you like that's good stuff but

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um like fast forward to now and what's

392
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coming out now

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um yeah I mean it's pretty clear that um

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the only things you're going to receive

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via foia are are things like you said

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that you'd find in kind of the the

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recycling bin that they don't really

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care too much about a case in point like

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a document came out where all the the

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shapes of the uaps were blacked out you

401
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couldn't even see the shapes you know

402
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and when you're reading one of these

403
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cases that it came out

404
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um you know you get one word every four

405
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lines you know out of it about like what

406
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happened and it's you know what are you

407
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supposed to do so

408
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but then there's there's this other side

409
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of it too where you know the the waters

410
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can be so muddy that it's you know at

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least a

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it's like what do you do because he

413
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obviously can't just go making up stuff

414
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on your own you have to base it off at

415
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something you can't just believe

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everybody either so it's like what you

417
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know it's it's almost

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like no matter what the government does

419
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no matter what they tell you no matter

420
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whatever it's like you can't

421
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you can't work off of it it just seems

422
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so you know

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untrustworthy I guess you know I mean

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it's it's funny We've joked about this

425
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before and and you know I don't

426
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understand you know there's a lot to be

427
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positive about with like within our

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community and there's I think there's a

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lot of progress that's been made in

430
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terms of like where Academia is with

431
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this and where like the Grassroots is

432
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with the normal studies and ufology and

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everything and and at the same time you

434
00:18:06,590 --> 00:18:04,919
know you have done amazing work with as

435
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you're putting it you know files that

436
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that largely came out

437
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you know in the decades past that

438
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actually had you know were pretty

439
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fruitful and had had some meat on the

440
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bones and things like that and but these

441
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days it seems like they've just you know

442
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ever since you know Roswell or around

443
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that era they've just been tightening

444
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the bolts you know what I mean they've

445
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been tightening tightening all the bolts

446
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like that much tighter ever since and

447
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they've just you know in general they

448
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whoever they is whichever you know

449
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outfit within there whether you're

450
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talking about the Air Force whether

451
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you're talking about the Pentagon

452
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whoever you're talking about they've

453
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just gotten better and better at kind of

454
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like tightening the lids for the most

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part and they'll just give us whatever

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they want to give us and so you know on

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the one hand

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like I wish that we like as a culture

459
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within ufology I wish that I think that

460
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it's important to keep the heat on a lot

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of these people and then at the same

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time like I think you know we've been

463
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led to like listen for the truth from

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these people that are paid to lie to us

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or paid to not be transparent with us

466
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you know for like a strategic advantage

467
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or you know National Security or

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whatever they want to say and there is

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some truth to that I'm sure you know

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what I mean like if they were just like

471
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here's here's you know here's free

472
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energy

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uh you know it's really simple you can

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do it with the parts in your microwave

475
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no problem and then you know some

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[\h__\h] gonna like blow up the world

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that night because that's the way it

478
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goes right so you know I get I get a

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bunch of that stuff on a very basic

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level and then at the same time it's

481
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just like just [\h__\h] tell us that the

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ETS exist just [\h__\h] say it just

483
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[\h__\h] you know get drunk one night and

484
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say it get drunk one night get your

485
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stream yard link up yeah just go just

486
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a real good night put some Everclear and

487
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Biden's you know ice cream cone or

488
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whatever whatever needs to happen

489
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but there there's also like

490
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like also something I think is uh why is

491
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it up to them you know um right these

492
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well these well these like entities or

493
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or ETS or what have you whatever you

494
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,120
know may be here like why wouldn't they

495
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you know just let everybody know that

496
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they're here instead of this weird

497
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individual

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uh one-on-one kind of stuff you know it

499
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it kind of makes me think like

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a lot more of it would be up to them

501
00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:37,980
than even the government you know like

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if the government says that they're real

503
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you kind of also have to be partners

504
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with them in this right because you

505
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can't say they're real and nobody and

506
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they don't show up to anybody you know

507
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nobody's going to believe that right so

508
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you kind of have to

509
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it's like I it's almost like a weird

510
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partnership has to happen right like

511
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yeah that's a good point you do that

512
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yeah I think that that's a really good

513
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point and as far as that partnership

514
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goes you know I mean I'm guessing

515
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you know from what we have from what we

516
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the evidence and the kind of signal data

517
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you might say the traffic the signal

518
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traffic data that we've that we've found

519
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in terms of like where activity is you

520
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know east of Miami in the water or

521
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or near Cadillac Catalina Island in the

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water or some like nebulous area like

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south and east of Australia sounds like

524
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you know you know various mountain

525
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ranges that we know generally speaking

526
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where there's at least some

527
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you know whether it's a portal whether

528
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it's a base whatever it is it's like

529
00:21:51,529 --> 00:21:47,700
some kind of like you know off-ramp from

530
00:21:52,970 --> 00:21:51,539
The Intergalactic Super Highway are are

531
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in these locations where they get

532
00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:55,799
spotted more often than not right and

533
00:22:00,289 --> 00:21:58,020
then so then it does seem like there's

534
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,299
you know we've been slowly figuring that

535
00:22:06,049 --> 00:22:02,400
out we've been learning about more about

536
00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:06,059
that and so you know that's that's like

537
00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:07,860
the real leak that we get that's what we

538
00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:10,140
that's that's where we keep finding

539
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:12,780
things and that seems to be almost the

540
00:22:17,090 --> 00:22:15,240
most fruitful Arena that one of the more

541
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:17,100
fruitful Arenas that we found ourselves

542
00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:18,600
in the last five years is that we

543
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:20,700
suddenly that we have more of like a

544
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:23,280
world map for activity than we did and

545
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:26,100
we've got we've got a better we've got a

546
00:22:31,010 --> 00:22:27,600
better picture of what that looks like

547
00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:31,020
in a way and that kind of does point to

548
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,220
the idea that there must be some

549
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,080
complicitness because I would have to

550
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,480
think that if there were bases there

551
00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:39,360
were known stable portals or whatever

552
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:42,419
the hell is going on on there that that

553
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,780
you know they that whatever you know

554
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,240
beings entities

555
00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:50,400
um don't want to be found or would like

556
00:22:53,870 --> 00:22:52,020
to not be bothered for as long as

557
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:53,880
possible they've you know some of these

558
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:56,220
you know some people have guessed that

559
00:23:00,110 --> 00:22:57,600
some of these beings may have been here

560
00:23:02,570 --> 00:23:00,120
as long as we have right or that they've

561
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:02,580
been here for like at least a long

562
00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:05,460
freaking time right and so you know I'm

563
00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:07,500
sure that a lot of if that's the case

564
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,179
then I'm sure that a bunch of them are

565
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,280
like okay well you know if you just

566
00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:13,679
stink I'm quite

567
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,200
you know like just turn the lights off

568
00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:17,760
you know while the car is coming down

569
00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:19,080
the road and everybody you know just

570
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,780
kind of peek up from the Windows like

571
00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:24,000
just just hide you know like the kids

572
00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:25,020
aren't going to come looking for

573
00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:26,940
Halloween candy if we just shut the hell

574
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:30,900
up you know yeah yeah and it'd be a life

575
00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:33,600
that they'd be used to you know yeah and

576
00:23:37,549 --> 00:23:35,640
to upend that and all of a sudden

577
00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:37,559
everybody knows and people go out there

578
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,720
in their scientific Expeditions and

579
00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:42,480
start poking around yep maybe that could

580
00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:45,179
lead to some bad things I don't know so

581
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,460
yeah and and so maybe that maybe that's

582
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:49,440
one level where it's like you know what

583
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:50,880
they have been doing which is this kind

584
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:53,280
of like one-on-one Grassroots door

585
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,140
knocking campaign seemingly if you're

586
00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:57,840
gonna if you're you know if if you

587
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:59,340
believe people like us that have had our

588
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,140
own experiences that feel deeply

589
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:03,360
personal and then they just Jet and

590
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:05,580
you're like well can we have a question

591
00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:07,380
and answer session here please can we

592
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:09,780
just do an AMA is that possible can you

593
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:12,659
just sit still for one second yeah all

594
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,340
right I'm just gonna

595
00:24:19,549 --> 00:24:17,760
yeah but um you know so there's so we

596
00:24:20,810 --> 00:24:19,559
get this Grassroots door-to-door like

597
00:24:23,890 --> 00:24:20,820
you know like they're Mormons or

598
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:23,900
something like that and then yeah

599
00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:31,789
yeah yeah but they're not going to do

600
00:24:34,909 --> 00:24:33,419
the other thing because if they do the

601
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:34,919
other thing you know the the

602
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,780
Independence Day thing or whatever like

603
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:38,640
you know this is a mass sighting that's

604
00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:40,500
that's what the this isn't a touchdown

605
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:43,559
this isn't me blocking a goal and that's

606
00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:45,780
that's my gesture for uh for

607
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,460
Independence Day

608
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:49,679
um if they do that then that's then that

609
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:52,020
uh that just signals it feels like that

610
00:24:57,890 --> 00:24:55,140
signals you know the kind of defensive

611
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,900
posturing that we are so that we must be

612
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,760
known for you know what I mean if we're

613
00:25:05,090 --> 00:25:01,679
known for anything to anybody else it

614
00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:05,100
must be how insane we are and how we

615
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:06,600
just like you know what I mean in terms

616
00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:08,940
of like destroying each other just

617
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,679
destroying each other destroying the

618
00:25:15,169 --> 00:25:12,480
planet destroying whatever's around us

619
00:25:16,970 --> 00:25:15,179
like not like taking stuff for granted I

620
00:25:18,409 --> 00:25:16,980
mean I I have to figure that it would be

621
00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:18,419
something like that and like maybe our

622
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:20,340
sense of humor I don't know you know

623
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:23,760
sense of humor but they gotta they got a

624
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,860
great sense of humor yeah yeah they're

625
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:28,080
doing all this weird stuff they're or

626
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,659
like they break their backs for this

627
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:33,120
green paper that they can't get stuff

628
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:36,900
with and stare at all day basically

629
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:39,179
grown-up hairless monkeys but they're

630
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,250
so we we have our guest here uh

631
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,840
Omega point and

632
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:54,000
you know I I think we could get into

633
00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:56,700
that a little bit we we touched on

634
00:26:01,850 --> 00:25:58,140
um this paper he wrote with a couple

635
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:01,860
other people hermetic penetrator and or

636
00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:05,580
what just dramatic penetrator and

637
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,860
um it is pretty good it's a 200 some

638
00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:09,840
page paper so

639
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:13,020
did you have an introduction

640
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:14,700
um I yeah you know what I didn't have

641
00:26:18,049 --> 00:26:16,140
like a classic

642
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,059
um jstyle introduction for a mega point

643
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:20,159
but I'll just say that um Omega Point's

644
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:22,140
a great guy I I met him in person at The

645
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,640
Archives of the impossible conference

646
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,400
earlier this year uh real sweetheart um

647
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:29,279
we'd been talking for a while and um

648
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,520
uh he's he's a really bright guy he puts

649
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,320
he as you can see in this in this

650
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:36,419
document he puts he puts a lot of pieces

651
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:40,320
together and uh and he's also um uh what

652
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:41,580
a lot of people don't realize is that he

653
00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:43,559
also has a great sense of humor

654
00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:47,340
um which as as you and I know is really

655
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:49,500
one of the best things that uh we have

656
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:51,960
as a human species so

657
00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:55,380
um great to have you here today Mr

658
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,520
Omega point

659
00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:58,799
hey how's it going guys good how are you

660
00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:00,900
sir yeah I can y'all can hear me okay

661
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:03,480
yeah absolutely all right I love coming

662
00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:06,120
to you yeah go ahead no you go ahead

663
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:07,320
tell me where you're coming from because

664
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:08,580
it looks like you're inside your

665
00:27:12,409 --> 00:27:10,140
Christmas presents which is awesome yeah

666
00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:12,419
yeah actually ever since I started

667
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,380
talking to

668
00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:15,840
um hermese this is just sort of I'm

669
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:16,980
always in an altered state of

670
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:19,140
consciousness so this is just sort of

671
00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:20,820
like the way everything looks now it's

672
00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:23,580
very psychedelic it's very

673
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:26,460
um you know I just it's always like I'm

674
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:28,740
on peyote just perpetually on peyote all

675
00:27:34,669 --> 00:27:32,340
the time nice yeah yeah so I'm in my

676
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,679
laundry room because this is just the

677
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:36,559
way my life is right now

678
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:39,600
I'm talking about UFOs yeah awesome

679
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,779
Fulton sucks and talking UFOs that's

680
00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:44,880
right that's right yeah I I was telling

681
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,440
my wife earlier that it'd be uh uh

682
00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:48,000
perfect if we had some sort of like a

683
00:27:52,010 --> 00:27:49,799
Harry Potter closet or something that I

684
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:52,020
could be under like the stairs

685
00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:53,600
um something even smaller than this

686
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:56,940
absolutely yeah yeah but anyway guys

687
00:28:02,390 --> 00:27:59,820
thanks for having me on yeah yeah thanks

688
00:28:03,289 --> 00:28:02,400
for doing this I mean we I listen to

689
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:03,299
yeah and

690
00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:05,220
um the the Dolan podcast that was pretty

691
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:08,460
great uh I I read the paper

692
00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:11,159
um it's it's good it's it's you know an

693
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,380
easy read as far as you know you you

694
00:28:17,149 --> 00:28:15,360
made it really understandable and and

695
00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:17,159
connecting your dots and in your thought

696
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,559
processes so

697
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:21,360
um I appreciate you doing that I really

698
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:22,980
enjoyed it

699
00:28:27,789 --> 00:28:25,919
um I guess I'd like to start out with

700
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:27,799
with asking like

701
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:30,720
uh why you know what was your motivation

702
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:32,940
you have a kid I'm sure you have a job

703
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:35,640
you're a busy person uh what made you

704
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,460
put in all that effort to try to connect

705
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:40,559
these dots

706
00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:43,380
yeah so um

707
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:47,100
my co-author and I uh penetrator we had

708
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,840
just been talking about some of this

709
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:50,580
stuff that it we were just kind of dming

710
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,880
back and forth especially once the oak

711
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,679
Shannon notes came out you know he kind

712
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:58,799
of made this connection between

713
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:00,179
um you know what was in the Wilson Davis

714
00:29:06,769 --> 00:29:04,020
notes that ATP 10 and the AP 10 kind of

715
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:06,779
connection between those two things

716
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,480
um and we had just kind of been sort of

717
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:11,520
throwing things at each other and our

718
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:13,320
direct messages for

719
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:14,820
um for a few days and I think at one

720
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:16,140
point we were just like hey we should

721
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:19,140
like do something with all of this uh we

722
00:29:21,889 --> 00:29:20,700
should put this together we should do

723
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,899
something together and maybe it'll be

724
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:23,760
good and we'll just see what happens and

725
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:26,700
so it just and it just happened I don't

726
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:28,679
there wasn't there wasn't like a grand

727
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:30,600
scheme at the beginning or anything like

728
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,700
that it was definitely a shared Rabbit

729
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:33,840
Hole

730
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:36,899
um and almost I I felt like I got really

731
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:39,480
really excited to talk to Hermes every

732
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,399
day I probably my wife can't hear me

733
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:43,200
thank God but I probably talked to him

734
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,480
more than I talked to my wife for the

735
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,279
month or so about a month that it took

736
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:49,679
us to put that together and wow you did

737
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:52,200
that in a month yeah yeah well well we

738
00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:53,940
had to because I mean so much of it is

739
00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:56,039
about those those Oceanic notes and

740
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:57,419
that's when they came out and that's

741
00:30:03,049 --> 00:30:00,720
kind of I feel like that and obviously

742
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:03,059
um you know Jay's interview

743
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:05,580
um is what really kind of set it all off

744
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:07,140
and and started you know and I know that

745
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,340
we're not the only ones who were doing

746
00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:10,320
that like lots of people were making

747
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:11,640
those connections but there were some

748
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:12,779
things that I think we found that were

749
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:13,740
new

750
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:15,000
um and we're like some we should put

751
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,080
this together we should just see what

752
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:18,299
happens and it just kind of snowballed

753
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:21,299
and before you know it you know uh I'm

754
00:30:25,930 --> 00:30:22,980
talking about UFOs in my laundry room

755
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,940
with you guys so that's

756
00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:28,799
excellent living the dream living the

757
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:31,320
dream that's right and and when we're on

758
00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:32,700
Witnesses and we just have to remember

759
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:34,679
to refer to Jay Anderson as other Jay

760
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,980
Jay yes other J on the rest of Twitter

761
00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:39,840
we can just share the name but here he's

762
00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:41,640
other Jay that's that's right other J

763
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:43,640
that's right I'm fine with that J2

764
00:30:49,549 --> 00:30:46,500
that's right

765
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,559
um so um so what what really brought you

766
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:51,840
into the field in general like when when

767
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:54,179
did you decide that this was like an

768
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:55,860
unavoidable topic

769
00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:58,980
um that uh you know what what really

770
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,740
obsessed you about this topic you know I

771
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:04,559
think that uh like many people people

772
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:07,320
involved with UFOs I am sort of a

773
00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:09,419
natural contrarian and I think I've been

774
00:31:14,029 --> 00:31:11,640
that way my whole life

775
00:31:15,470 --> 00:31:14,039
um and and so I think I I it probably in

776
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:15,480
high school and maybe even in middle

777
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,740
school it's hard for me to remember back

778
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:18,480
that that far

779
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:19,980
um I've always kind of gravitated

780
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,620
towards ideas and things maybe that are

781
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:25,380
outside of the accepted Norm

782
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,960
um and you know so I do know we were

783
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:30,720
talking earlier about Leslie uh about

784
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:34,500
Leslie K and you know she's really

785
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:35,640
um and I told you she's kind of like

786
00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:37,380
she's my number one

787
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:39,779
um and and the reason is is because when

788
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,659
her book UFOs came out

789
00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:44,880
um you know I think it was in maybe 2008

790
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:47,399
when that came out I I got that I was in

791
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,899
college I can remember I was I would

792
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:51,360
have been uh a sophomore in college or

793
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:52,980
something like that and it's like it

794
00:31:57,649 --> 00:31:55,559
made it safe to start talking about UFOs

795
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:57,659
with my friends and to to actually

796
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,820
devote time to the subject rather than

797
00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:00,960
just kind of being someone who would

798
00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:02,760
casually you know watch a documentary or

799
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,919
read a book here and there to really

800
00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:07,200
take a deep dive so I certainly haven't

801
00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:09,299
been in it you know for 30 years or

802
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:11,399
anything like that but

803
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:14,100
um you know I really you know I'm sure

804
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:16,200
she would not like me saying this but uh

805
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,360
this is kind of her fault

806
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:20,580
loose threats is kind of Leslie King's

807
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:23,760
fault so um just because of of that book

808
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:27,179
and um and you know uh just kind of the

809
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,559
rabbit hole that that sent me down and

810
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,480
I'm sure I I know for a fact that I'm

811
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,679
not the only one that that's the case

812
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,360
where there are a lot of people I've

813
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,760
encountered who have said the same thing

814
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:37,679
um and so I know her you know her story

815
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:41,880
in 2017 with Ralph Blumenthal

816
00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:43,020
um you know the New York Times that's a

817
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,020
big deal but uh I honestly think that

818
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:49,020
book was I I won't say a bigger deal but

819
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:50,159
it was a really big deal for me

820
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:51,539
personally and I know that there are

821
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:53,520
lots of people who uh a lot of people

822
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:55,620
who feel the same

823
00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:58,140
well yeah and it's interesting because

824
00:33:01,730 --> 00:32:59,640
to me

825
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,740
um you know folks can learn so much more

826
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:03,600
about this topic if they actually take

827
00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:05,940
it upon themselves to to do something

828
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:08,460
that may be a little more labor

829
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:10,440
intensive whether it's reading an entire

830
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,740
book or looking at

831
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:15,360
um a bunch of documents reading a bunch

832
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:17,460
of documents taking it upon herself to

833
00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:19,080
try to find a little bit of Truth this

834
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:21,299
subject takes

835
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,179
um you know to find anything about it it

836
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,880
takes motivation from the person you

837
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:28,559
know you can sit back like you said and

838
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:30,120
watch the documentaries but they're all

839
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:32,460
peppered with narrative and a lot of

840
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:34,620
things that uh

841
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:37,260
a lot of the times are just a lot of

842
00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:39,779
speculation without a lot a lot of facts

843
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:43,380
behind it in in Leslie's book is is all

844
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:46,620
fact it's all pilot you know testimony

845
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,080
yeah you know like I'm an experienced

846
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:51,360
pilot I have this many hours experience

847
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:54,059
flying and this is what happened you

848
00:34:00,169 --> 00:33:56,700
know and you leave like

849
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:00,179
what you know versus you know watching

850
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,340
you know Nick Pope tell a story about

851
00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:04,080
something that happened a couple years

852
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:07,019
ago for you know three minutes at a time

853
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,139
while they say yeah well and also you

854
00:34:14,349 --> 00:34:12,599
know aliens have it made the pyramids so

855
00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:14,359
right you know

856
00:34:19,629 --> 00:34:17,099
let's talk about Antarctica for you know

857
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:19,639
three three days

858
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,200
which is you know it's interesting and

859
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,240
you know are you gonna find things out

860
00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:26,879
without ideas but yeah that's true

861
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:28,500
that's true I think there is there is

862
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,080
value in in a little bit of speculation

863
00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:33,300
and being a little credulous

864
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:35,099
um because I think it does lead you down

865
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:38,220
novel paths and I think that

866
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:40,020
um you know one thing that people who

867
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,520
are outside of this subject I think that

868
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:43,200
they're really missing out on is the

869
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,520
learning experience that you mentioned

870
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:46,379
because you don't just learn about UFOs

871
00:34:51,770 --> 00:34:49,020
when you learn about UFOs right you are

872
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:51,780
learning I mean especially with

873
00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:53,220
something putting together something

874
00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:55,500
like loose threads I mean there's a lot

875
00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:57,660
of stuff in there that outside of what I

876
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,400
wrote in loose threads I have absolutely

877
00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:01,680
no idea about and and it's just because

878
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:04,680
it was like almost uh you know a

879
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,359
performance task like this is Project

880
00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:08,400
based learning right you're you're given

881
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:09,780
this you're trying to accomplish this

882
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:10,980
thing and before you know it you're like

883
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:12,359
reading about

884
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:15,720
um you know biocentrism and you know I

885
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:18,119
know I mean yeah you know you're going

886
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:19,800
looking for you're going looking for

887
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:22,200
Tech or or connections or whatever and

888
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:23,820
and you know you're looking up how

889
00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:27,060
put-offs SRI or whatever and you're down

890
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:28,500
these rabbit holes and all of a sudden

891
00:35:32,510 --> 00:35:30,180
you're learning about yeah like directed

892
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:32,520
energy weapons and yeah and you know

893
00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:35,160
non-ionizing radiation you're like I

894
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:36,839
never in a million years thought I'd be

895
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:43,790
go ahead no I was just going to say like

896
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,260
yeah when was the last time that you you

897
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:48,000
know breathlessly read a 10-page

898
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:50,040
document about bismuth until you got

899
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,940
into Urology yeah yeah I mean that's I

900
00:35:58,849 --> 00:35:55,920
mean but it's fun and it makes learning

901
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:58,859
fun you know and and so uh you know I I

902
00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:00,300
do kind of have a background in

903
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:02,220
education and that's sort of what I do

904
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:03,359
um I'm not in the classroom or anything

905
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,980
but that's that's

906
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,440
um sort of my uh you know my where I

907
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:09,599
where I do my work and

908
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,400
and so I look at it it's just this huge

909
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:13,440
learning opportunity and this way that

910
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,480
sort of uh I don't want to say weaponize

911
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,760
your curiosity but catalyze your

912
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,640
curiosity right um to get you um going

913
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,040
down these these disparate paths and I

914
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:24,720
really think that

915
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,820
um I think that's what's happened to the

916
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:28,740
people that I covered you know that we

917
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:30,359
covered in loose threats you know I

918
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,040
think that we get to see their learning

919
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:34,320
experience and their progression over

920
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:38,280
time to try and get at the root of this

921
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,660
Enigma

922
00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:41,760
um you know there's a quote uh from

923
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,500
Richard Roy and I I quote him too much

924
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:45,839
people get annoyed by it but uh it's

925
00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:47,820
that mystery is not something that is

926
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:49,560
unknowable it's something that's

927
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:51,420
infinitely knowable

928
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:53,160
um and there's something so tantalizing

929
00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:56,820
about the UFO story and the anomalous

930
00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:59,579
experience that

931
00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:00,540
um

932
00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:03,240
I feel like it is infinitely knowable

933
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:05,880
and and for someone like at least in for

934
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:09,720
me I mean that that drives me like I

935
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:11,220
want to infinitely know this information

936
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:13,740
you know even when you learn it once

937
00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:16,440
it's not Case Closed game over it's it

938
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:18,119
changes your life you know some of the

939
00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:19,500
stuff that you

940
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,060
um you know that you uncover as you

941
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,400
study even some of the you know some of

942
00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:25,500
the physical science right quickly

943
00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:27,240
becomes you know you're looking at

944
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:28,619
physics and before you know it you're

945
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,300
you're looking at metaphysics and you're

946
00:37:34,849 --> 00:37:32,700
looking at spirituality and

947
00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:34,859
um you know that that's something that

948
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:37,079
you see even with the physical sciences

949
00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:39,000
themselves that we looked at in loose

950
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:40,680
threats you know that as they were going

951
00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:42,839
you start to see this progression where

952
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:45,180
there's they aren't kind of looking at

953
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:47,820
nuts and bolts you know information but

954
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,760
then over time uh it sort of progresses

955
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:52,560
to where they're they're really focused

956
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:53,760
on

957
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:56,339
um the experiences themselves and the

958
00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:59,339
experiences themselves as well

959
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:01,800
um and that's a progression that you

960
00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:03,660
know we didn't intend but that's just

961
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:05,400
what we found you know we we really

962
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:07,020
tried to

963
00:38:11,569 --> 00:38:09,300
um you know Hermes like uh like to say

964
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,579
let's let the sources speak right let's

965
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:13,440
put it out there and let's just see what

966
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:15,240
happens and and

967
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,220
um what happened was the sort of you

968
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:20,400
know natural progression from

969
00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:22,380
um you know talking about Advanced

970
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:24,359
theoretical physics and you know nuclear

971
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:27,240
you know kinds of things to

972
00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:29,700
um Consciousness and you know honestly

973
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:31,980
just uh straight perennial tradition

974
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,140
mysticism you know uh and I think you'd

975
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,720
be surprised at um

976
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:38,880
you know how how deep those guys get

977
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:40,500
into these subjects and even publicly

978
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,820
not all of it it's not like you have to

979
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:43,320
do much digging before you can find

980
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:45,000
those things

981
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:46,980
um so yeah those are that's just kind of

982
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:49,260
a yeah it's almost like it's you know

983
00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:50,700
that's one of the things I appreciated

984
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:53,940
about the paper because it you know when

985
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:55,980
you start looking into this stuff and

986
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:57,720
the characters that play Within it

987
00:39:02,810 --> 00:38:59,940
whether it's Jacques Valley or Dr alpod

988
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:02,820
off or or you know whoever it doesn't

989
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,160
take you long to realize that uh these

990
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:07,380
same people who are into UFOs and and

991
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,560
studying UFOs are also heavily into

992
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:13,680
things like remote viewing you know and

993
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:15,300
studying things like psychotronic

994
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,960
weapons or or whatever it may be and you

995
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,119
know or and then there's also the side

996
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:23,760
where there's you know some Weaponry

997
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:25,980
involved whether it's like laser laser

998
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:29,040
weapons or directed energy things and so

999
00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:31,079
on and so forth but

1000
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:34,920
you know where they meet and and when I

1001
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:36,660
think about it in your paper kind of

1002
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:37,619
helped me

1003
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:39,780
um put this together a little bit it's

1004
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:43,380
almost like they're reaching for

1005
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:47,210
um

1006
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:48,540
you know

1007
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:52,740
um like uh like a combination of of tech

1008
00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:54,060
and Consciousness

1009
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,339
um yes the word I'm looking for is

1010
00:40:02,210 --> 00:39:59,280
slipping my mind right now

1011
00:40:05,890 --> 00:40:02,220
um you know well just like a melding of

1012
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:05,900
the two you know yeah uh no yeah I I

1013
00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:08,700
can't think of the word right now but

1014
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:11,339
yeah I love that you said that and and I

1015
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,560
think that there's even been you know

1016
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:15,200
um yesterday

1017
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,079
Singularity oh there you go yes yes yeah

1018
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:21,839
I I feel like they you know it's like

1019
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:23,640
there is that Nexus that Singularity

1020
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:26,220
right where they're they're and even if

1021
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:29,160
you look at the the straight sort of

1022
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:31,740
very innocuous boring honestly boring

1023
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:32,760
sounding

1024
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,200
um you know Advanced theoretical physics

1025
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:36,720
you know papers that they're doing uh

1026
00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:37,859
you know if you look at Doctor how

1027
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,440
put-offs work especially

1028
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:43,440
um there is I mean and he has explicitly

1029
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:46,380
stated that his goal is to find to marry

1030
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,260
in a paper that he published to marry

1031
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:50,880
physics and metaphysics that they are

1032
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:53,460
that they arise at the same time

1033
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:55,800
um and he draws a direct connection to

1034
00:41:00,109 --> 00:40:57,480
sort of The Perennial tradition

1035
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:00,119
principles and

1036
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:02,820
um you know what he's looking at uh when

1037
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:05,400
it comes to Zero Point Energy

1038
00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:07,500
um you know p and

1039
00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:09,480
um you know there's a lot of overlap

1040
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:11,940
there and and you know something that

1041
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:13,859
really got me got my attention yesterday

1042
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:15,300
and I know it got a lot of people's

1043
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:17,820
attention was you know Danny Sheehan uh

1044
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:21,119
was on with Jimmy church and he

1045
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,260
um talked about uh that there was

1046
00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:27,480
uh you know they weren't able to from

1047
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:28,980
what he understands or his belief is

1048
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:30,180
that they're not able to to reverse

1049
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:31,980
engineer these craps or really make any

1050
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:36,180
any Headway uh because there's this sort

1051
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:38,339
of Consciousness component that there's

1052
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:41,820
Consciousness woven into the uh woven

1053
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,700
into the tech and so they're not able to

1054
00:41:48,829 --> 00:41:47,280
figure that part out and you know

1055
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:48,839
something something that we explored in

1056
00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:52,560
loose threads was uh you know that John

1057
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:54,900
Burroughs was told to start meditating

1058
00:42:00,109 --> 00:41:57,420
right so that he could

1059
00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:00,119
um you know possibly it seems to us that

1060
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:02,220
they were preparing him to try and lure

1061
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:05,160
in UFOs or or make better contact with

1062
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,020
UFOs or possibly that could have some

1063
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:08,880
connectivity to remote viewing or other

1064
00:42:13,609 --> 00:42:10,440
anomalous experiences that they were

1065
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:13,619
trying to prepare him for and and

1066
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:16,020
apparently it worked you know and and um

1067
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:17,339
and we don't I don't think we can say

1068
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,900
that for sure that was correlated with

1069
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:20,880
his with his contemplative practices or

1070
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:23,460
anything but uh um you know that's

1071
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:25,020
something that there there's research

1072
00:42:29,569 --> 00:42:27,180
out out there that you know shows that

1073
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:29,579
these sorts of these uh kind of Eastern

1074
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:31,619
practices can change the topology of

1075
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:34,980
someone's brain right and sure um and so

1076
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:37,320
I always go to wonder go ahead I always

1077
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,900
go to secret machines too the the yes

1078
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,480
you know what that's how they fly the

1079
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:45,119
[\h__\h] with the Consciousness you know and

1080
00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:47,700
it makes sense too because um

1081
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:50,339
you know if it if you're trying to build

1082
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:51,780
the perfect

1083
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:56,280
vehicle or whatever right like the only

1084
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,500
way to make it perfect is to somehow

1085
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:01,440
synchronize it with the human brain you

1086
00:43:06,490 --> 00:43:03,960
know instead of like you're using your

1087
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:06,500
brain then to lift your arm right

1088
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:08,700
you know you're using your brain to fly

1089
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:10,619
the craft so you're not going from brain

1090
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:12,359
arm to craft you're going straight from

1091
00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:15,060
brain to crap so so it's like things can

1092
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:18,060
move it's a reflex for you know you know

1093
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:19,560
it's it's another finger it's another

1094
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,859
arm like and and it explains the way

1095
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,960
that these things are reported as moving

1096
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:27,599
you know like because Kraft can't do

1097
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:29,400
that kind of stuff but if it was a

1098
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:32,040
finger or an arm or something you can

1099
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:34,200
make 90 degree turns you can do things

1100
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:36,119
like that pretty easily you know so it's

1101
00:43:41,569 --> 00:43:37,980
kind of interesting and absolutely and

1102
00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:41,579
if you if you if you take a look at what

1103
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:43,140
the technology does and the capabilities

1104
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,819
like you're saying and you start to

1105
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,800
compare those things to let's say

1106
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:48,540
Quantum effects and I'm not going to go

1107
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:49,740
too deep down that rabbit hole because

1108
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:51,480
that's obviously not you know not my

1109
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:52,500
business

1110
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:56,460
um but uh you know there there are a lot

1111
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,440
of things that arise from some of this

1112
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,660
Quantum research and and quantum

1113
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:03,839
mechanics and quantum physics that uh

1114
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:06,540
might explain some of this you know odd

1115
00:44:10,609 --> 00:44:08,280
behavior you know like maybe it's not

1116
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,619
really traveling a distance maybe if

1117
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:12,359
everything is is if everything is

1118
00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:14,760
connected if there's really only no time

1119
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,819
but now in no place but here it's very

1120
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:19,920
mystical statement it's also apparently

1121
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:22,440
a very scientific scientific typically

1122
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:24,780
accurate statement um within if we're

1123
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,099
talking about

1124
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:29,040
um the foundational level of reality

1125
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:32,280
right uh that that ultimately the

1126
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,740
reality we are quantum and reality

1127
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,660
everything around us you know we've kind

1128
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,880
of got this this two sets of rules we've

1129
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:40,560
got kind of like macrophysics and then

1130
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:43,079
you've got like in the quantum realm

1131
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:46,200
right and but it's unclear sort of where

1132
00:44:51,530 --> 00:44:49,800
that crossover you know happens and you

1133
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:51,540
know if it's possible that you know

1134
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:53,099
someone has been able to you know some

1135
00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:54,839
civilization or some group has been able

1136
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,819
to figure out how to

1137
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:59,280
um get those Quantum effects at a macro

1138
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,599
level

1139
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:03,119
um and and you know Consciousness would

1140
00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:04,980
be key right because it's all about the

1141
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,500
Observer and you know

1142
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:09,359
um you know if you're able to especially

1143
00:45:13,609 --> 00:45:11,220
I I've been reading actually believe it

1144
00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:13,619
or not Dr calm Kelleher

1145
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:15,240
um recommended a book

1146
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:16,500
um and you know he's in loose threads

1147
00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:18,359
and obviously he's a he's a right in the

1148
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,099
middle of all this research and he

1149
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:22,319
recommended the work of uh

1150
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:23,700
um I don't remember his first name but

1151
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,980
Dr Lanza and and so I've been reading

1152
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:27,839
some of his work on biocentrism and he

1153
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,480
he tries to explain some of these things

1154
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,400
um without without all of the the

1155
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:34,319
Troublesome math and it's just really

1156
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,640
it's mind melting and um and it just got

1157
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,040
me to thinking when Sheehan circling

1158
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:43,560
back to what started this long Rabbit

1159
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:44,240
Trail

1160
00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:47,160
when he said that I thought man that's

1161
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:49,940
really ironic if that's true uh because

1162
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,520
what if the case is that in order to

1163
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:56,160
Pilot this advanced technology or to be

1164
00:46:02,690 --> 00:45:59,460
able to figure it out you have to change

1165
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:02,700
your brain topology using meditative

1166
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,980
practices contemplative practices you

1167
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,720
you're that you have to basically grow

1168
00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:09,359
in Consciousness before you can actually

1169
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:11,160
pilot the crap

1170
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,619
um if that's the case that is

1171
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:16,260
absolutely brilliant if there was a if

1172
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:17,819
there was a civilization that wanted us

1173
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:19,560
to grow as a species to say hey here's

1174
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:21,060
this thing that you want to use to kill

1175
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:23,880
people but here's the trick you by the

1176
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:25,020
time you figure it out and you're

1177
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,240
actually able to use it your ego will be

1178
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:29,520
like completely non-existent and you'll

1179
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,560
you know be walking around like from Das

1180
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:33,680
you know yeah

1181
00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:35,880
well that's the thing like you wouldn't

1182
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:37,859
be able to use it until you're mature

1183
00:46:42,530 --> 00:46:39,960
enough right yeah right absolutely and

1184
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:42,540
so this is where that that Nexus kind of

1185
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:44,579
comes into it and it's so

1186
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:47,460
it's it's just wild because you know you

1187
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:49,740
you see someone like you know John

1188
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:52,800
Alexander he's looking at

1189
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,800
um you know uh non-lethal weaponry and

1190
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,960
directive energy and and he's a very

1191
00:47:01,730 --> 00:47:00,240
controversial character you know and but

1192
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:01,740
at the same time he's also very

1193
00:47:05,809 --> 00:47:04,200
interested in near-death experiences he

1194
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,819
might be more interested in near-death

1195
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:08,160
experiences than he is UFOs

1196
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:10,980
um and in fact one I I even think

1197
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:13,560
um one of the uh

1198
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:15,480
one of the interviews that we cited was

1199
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:19,560
between him and and Bob McGuire on um I

1200
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,920
think it was on Sor and in during one of

1201
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:24,240
the commercial breaks he wanted to turn

1202
00:47:28,250 --> 00:47:26,220
around and ask Bob McGuire some

1203
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:28,260
questions about his nde

1204
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,520
um and that believe it or not caught our

1205
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,380
eye because we did he ask him about his

1206
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,599
NDA no it wasn't his NBA he wants to

1207
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:36,240
talk about mbes and

1208
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:38,280
um and and that's what really brought

1209
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,420
him

1210
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,240
to the attention of

1211
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:44,400
um Bob Bigelow because Bob Bigelow

1212
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,720
showed up at a conference where he's

1213
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:47,520
doing a presentation on the the

1214
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:48,900
connections between near-death

1215
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:52,440
experiences and UFO experiences and

1216
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:55,020
um and and they meet and start chatting

1217
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:57,780
and you know that's those are Bob

1218
00:48:01,849 --> 00:48:00,060
Bigelow's two big things he wants to

1219
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,859
know about the UFO mystery and he wants

1220
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:04,319
to know about afterlife experiences and

1221
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:06,900
so that's what eventually led to nid's

1222
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:08,579
um the first thing I I just found this

1223
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:10,619
out today because I guess I'm still you

1224
00:48:13,069 --> 00:48:12,060
know pulling on loose threads here and

1225
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:13,079
there

1226
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:15,900
um gotta have a version yeah part two

1227
00:48:23,410 --> 00:48:18,180
yeah even even looser threads

1228
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,420
[Laughter]

1229
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,680
your threads return of loose threads

1230
00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:27,599
that's right

1231
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,700
um Bob the first thing that Bob Bigelow

1232
00:48:35,569 --> 00:48:31,859
funds after meeting with John Alexander

1233
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:35,579
is the research of Dr Ferris Williams

1234
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:37,560
um and that was just you know straight

1235
00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:40,380
Advanced theoretical physics uh I don't

1236
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:41,700
think that that turned that term was

1237
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:44,099
obviously used you know for foia Ops

1238
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:46,440
vacation as John Alexander has admitted

1239
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,180
um but I also think it was accurate you

1240
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:50,700
know like they a lot of this stuff I

1241
00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:53,160
think where that Nexus where you kind of

1242
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,579
have the the you know the science and

1243
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,839
you have

1244
00:49:01,849 --> 00:49:00,240
um or I'm thinking kind of like Spiral

1245
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,859
Dynamics or Ken Wilbur like your left

1246
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:03,420
hand and your right hand things where

1247
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,740
those things meet

1248
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:07,079
seems to be

1249
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:08,760
um if you're coming from from the

1250
00:49:13,069 --> 00:49:10,680
science angle with very Advanced

1251
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,079
theoretical physics and and so and I

1252
00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:15,359
think that Dr Ferris Williams work

1253
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,940
um which we got tied up in because Oh

1254
00:49:23,450 --> 00:49:20,640
Shannon talked about him

1255
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:23,460
um during his interview and it turns out

1256
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:27,420
that he was the principal one of the

1257
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:28,740
principal investigators and the

1258
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:30,060
principal

1259
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,720
um

1260
00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:33,440
Consultants with

1261
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:36,780
sisaic electric propulsion you know

1262
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:39,060
study and the one that you know if you

1263
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:41,400
if that's a pretty uh most people know

1264
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,660
about that most people like hardcore

1265
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,160
will know about that study in connection

1266
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:47,520
with with saic and UFOs

1267
00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:49,020
um and so you know and then in Oaks

1268
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:50,579
notes you have them saying can we meet

1269
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:53,460
Dr Ferris Williams and then you also now

1270
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:55,619
have you know John Alexander the first

1271
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:58,500
thing that happens when he meets with um

1272
00:50:02,329 --> 00:50:00,359
with Bob Bigelow he says hey you should

1273
00:50:04,849 --> 00:50:02,339
you should uh meet my friend Willie over

1274
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:04,859
here and help him fund his his research

1275
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:07,619
and um you know and they obviously had

1276
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:09,660
met after John Alexander went to go work

1277
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,099
Atlanta

1278
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:14,160
um and and so and then and also started

1279
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:16,859
to kind of realize during

1280
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,460
um Oak Shannon's interview with Jay he

1281
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,839
actually mentions that while he was

1282
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:24,240
working at Lionel that there were people

1283
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:27,000
that he had come into contact with

1284
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:29,220
um that had interest in UFOs that he and

1285
00:50:33,849 --> 00:50:31,800
Dr Williams had met people there and

1286
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:33,859
that that they were sort of looking over

1287
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,780
their shoulder and of course he caveats

1288
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:38,460
it and says well you know I wasn't

1289
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:40,140
really that interested in it you know I

1290
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:41,819
mean I kind of I kind of looked at it I

1291
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,240
had a a file full of reports but I

1292
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:47,520
wasn't that interested in it which is

1293
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,859
sort of obviously if you have a file

1294
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:51,839
full of citing reports I don't I don't

1295
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,640
personally have a file full of citing

1296
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,440
reports you're not and you are into it

1297
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,839
right if you're into it and I think

1298
00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:59,520
that's a that's another theme that I

1299
00:51:02,690 --> 00:51:01,740
hope people will see in loose threads is

1300
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:02,700
almost

1301
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:05,339
every single time someone at this level

1302
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:07,319
says well you know I just kind of have a

1303
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:09,000
casual interest it's just something I'm

1304
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:10,980
sort of interested in

1305
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:13,760
um that's almost never true

1306
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:16,619
could you imagine like having our our

1307
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:19,800
level of Interest like us three but also

1308
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:23,460
being like you know as as smart and as

1309
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:26,280
well educated as them and and the kind

1310
00:51:30,650 --> 00:51:28,260
of rabbit holes we would find ourselves

1311
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:30,660
in with that added knowledge of of

1312
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,079
physics and all that like yeah you would

1313
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:36,900
no one would ever see me I'd be in a lab

1314
00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:39,480
like constantly yeah I'm trying to

1315
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:41,400
figure this out yeah

1316
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:42,720
yeah and that's what and that's what

1317
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:44,220
happens right we hear about these

1318
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,960
stories all the time they were like oh

1319
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:47,760
they got hired into one of those

1320
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:49,260
National Labs and we never saw them

1321
00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:51,960
again and you and people assume it's

1322
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:53,339
because they're being like you know

1323
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:54,839
people think that people are being held

1324
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:57,900
against their will you know 900 feet you

1325
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,400
know below sea level or something like

1326
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,680
that when the reality is you know in

1327
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,599
many cases it's probably closer to what

1328
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:05,760
you guys were just imagineering you know

1329
00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:08,460
what I mean that yeah I mean I this this

1330
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,020
will be controversial but I think if

1331
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,760
someone said hey you can come in and

1332
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:13,200
work on this and you know we'll pay you

1333
00:52:17,089 --> 00:52:15,300
well you'll be taken care of but you can

1334
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:17,099
never you can never share anything about

1335
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,740
this I probably would say yes I'd

1336
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:21,540
probably be like yeah yeah I'll come in

1337
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:23,400
I mean I I want transparency and I want

1338
00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:24,720
all those things but I also kind of want

1339
00:52:30,049 --> 00:52:27,960
to know uh my ego is is is still intact

1340
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,059
enough for that and so I can empathize

1341
00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:31,920
with it I can empathize

1342
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,960
um I feel like these these you know

1343
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:35,280
characters

1344
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:36,839
um they are larger than life but at the

1345
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:38,520
same time they are in some ways just

1346
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:41,160
like us you know they are I mean maybe

1347
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,559
not in nature you know human nature you

1348
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:45,480
want the you can have the secret of the

1349
00:52:50,089 --> 00:52:47,220
universe you just can't tell anyone else

1350
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:50,099
yeah what would you say well no I don't

1351
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,760
want it then yeah no okay fine that's

1352
00:52:58,670 --> 00:52:55,280
how it has to be

1353
00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:58,680
you know it's funny it's funny you

1354
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,780
mentioned that about Los Alamos National

1355
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:02,400
Labs because

1356
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:04,680
um you know the the history of sightings

1357
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,380
there go go back to almost the beginning

1358
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,599
with the with the green Fireballs man

1359
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:12,240
like there are so many Los Alamos UFO

1360
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,500
reports dating back to 4849 it's

1361
00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:18,240
unbelievable to the point of where they

1362
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,960
had their their own reports that you

1363
00:53:26,990 --> 00:53:23,460
know that they were taking themselves to

1364
00:53:30,890 --> 00:53:27,000
security uh guards for that area would

1365
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:30,900
take the reports themselves so there's a

1366
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:33,300
lot of UFO history baked into that

1367
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:35,579
particular lab too so it's interesting

1368
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:38,280
well you know John Alexander said you

1369
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,440
know obviously he he says that Roswell

1370
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,000
didn't happen and you you know none of

1371
00:53:46,670 --> 00:53:43,920
this happened but that if it did happen

1372
00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:46,680
it would go to Los Alamos right it

1373
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:48,420
didn't happen and it wouldn't happen but

1374
00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:51,180
if it did I'm telling you it would go to

1375
00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:53,940
Los Alamos and yeah and um which has

1376
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:55,559
always been very interesting to me you

1377
00:54:00,109 --> 00:53:58,740
know he worked at Los Alamos and so

1378
00:54:02,210 --> 00:54:00,119
um you know he's making those comments

1379
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,220
fairly you know recently that making

1380
00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:03,839
those connections

1381
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,579
um so yeah and then obviously we have

1382
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:07,440
still to this day

1383
00:54:11,809 --> 00:54:09,540
um or not to this day but more recently

1384
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,819
we have you know doe apparent doe

1385
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:13,440
involvement in that

1386
00:54:18,349 --> 00:54:16,260
um Peru 97 case

1387
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:18,359
um with uh Lance Corporal Jonathan

1388
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:19,980
wagant that we that we featured along

1389
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:22,440
with uh alongside the Virginia or jinha

1390
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:23,280
case

1391
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,540
um just because of those similarities

1392
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:26,880
were so interesting

1393
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,180
um in terms of the time frame and the um

1394
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:34,079
location and and then also uh the you

1395
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:35,760
know United States kind of swooping in

1396
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,940
and and collecting that collecting that

1397
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:41,040
stuff and I'm sure you're aware of this

1398
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,040
but uh Gary Nolan is his interview with

1399
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:46,920
Gary Tucker showed a slide of brain

1400
00:54:53,690 --> 00:54:50,880
scans on the show and on that slide it

1401
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:53,700
said doe Advanced propulsion wow that's

1402
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:54,420
right

1403
00:54:59,809 --> 00:54:56,579
yeah wow yeah I remember I remember yeah

1404
00:55:04,430 --> 00:54:59,819
I shared that on my Twitter why you know

1405
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:07,309
um between you and everybody uh I'm

1406
00:55:13,329 --> 00:55:10,319
pretty sure it was Yeah Yeah well yeah

1407
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:13,339
I'm wondering I speaking of uh Virginia

1408
00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:17,040
somebody on Saturday uh at our

1409
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:20,520
conference in in New York uh somebody is

1410
00:55:24,349 --> 00:55:22,260
going to be sharing an interesting

1411
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:24,359
update about that case and I can tell

1412
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,800
you who it is and I'm not going to tell

1413
00:55:29,150 --> 00:55:27,599
you what it is because I don't know all

1414
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:29,160
the full details but I'm really excited

1415
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:31,619
about it wow along those lines though

1416
00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:33,540
you know you were just mentioning John

1417
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:37,319
Alexander and you know him saying

1418
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:40,559
he you know he's he reiterated this as

1419
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,900
recently as the SCU conference that

1420
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:44,640
happened in what was that early June or

1421
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:46,859
something like that and so he was he was

1422
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:59,390
you keep wanting to break up enthusiasts

1423
00:56:02,210 --> 00:56:00,599
but they actually

1424
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:02,220
I don't want to break up with you I

1425
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,359
never want to break up with you on my

1426
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:06,000
back yeah I'm back okay yeah repeat that

1427
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:07,200
question

1428
00:56:12,049 --> 00:56:09,720
okay so so John Alexander he's you know

1429
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:12,059
he's down there at Su in June and he's

1430
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:14,700
around you know some ufology enthusiasts

1431
00:56:18,349 --> 00:56:16,260
and people that follow an animal studies

1432
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,359
and a bunch of Defense contractors right

1433
00:56:23,329 --> 00:56:21,359
and uh retired or active

1434
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,339
and he said he goes up and he says that

1435
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,920
Roswell didn't happen and you know and

1436
00:56:29,569 --> 00:56:28,079
he also says that like Eric Davis you

1437
00:56:31,309 --> 00:56:29,579
know wrote the notes you should ask him

1438
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,319
he's right there

1439
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:32,880
um you know he does this whole routine

1440
00:56:38,809 --> 00:56:36,480
and it's it's funny to me because like

1441
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:38,819
this it's exactly the kind of like

1442
00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:41,700
annoying thing that we get used to

1443
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:44,520
within this field is is that these guys

1444
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:46,260
perform for each other sometimes and

1445
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,540
it's like it's like he was doing like a

1446
00:56:52,790 --> 00:56:50,400
child like it's like he was a children's

1447
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:52,800
magician or something like that right

1448
00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:54,780
and instead of pulling a rabbit out of a

1449
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:56,520
hat he's gonna lie to you completely

1450
00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:59,099
bald-faced you know without even like an

1451
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:01,020
eyebrow twitching or anything like that

1452
00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:02,940
yeah that that's his version of like

1453
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:05,160
ta-da I did it look I lied for all of

1454
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:08,339
you yet again yeah you know that Roswell

1455
00:57:12,109 --> 00:57:10,020
didn't have and that and that he's

1456
00:57:15,710 --> 00:57:12,119
saying that like in Huntsville

1457
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:15,720
where we know where we know through

1458
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:17,220
places like Aerospace Corporation

1459
00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:19,380
through Northrop they like it's the high

1460
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:20,940
one of the highest concentrations of

1461
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,440
Defense contractors that are

1462
00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:23,839
specifically interested in

1463
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:26,280
electrographyx and anti-gravidics yeah

1464
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:27,780
that he's going to say that that didn't

1465
00:57:31,549 --> 00:57:29,160
happen you know what I mean like there's

1466
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:31,559
there's something about that that is

1467
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,859
it's almost like it's almost like its

1468
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,960
own it's a it's its own kink like it's

1469
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:39,119
its own perversion is to be able to talk

1470
00:57:44,569 --> 00:57:41,160
like that in a situation such as that

1471
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:47,870
you know uh Colonel Alexander is a very

1472
00:57:53,329 --> 00:57:50,760
uh he's he's a very complicated

1473
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:53,339
character and I I'll be honest with you

1474
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,040
I I don't know I don't know what to make

1475
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:58,079
of him and I think that maybe I think he

1476
00:58:00,890 --> 00:57:59,400
kind of likes that to some extent I

1477
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,900
think he's sure just you know how we

1478
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:03,119
talked about uh being contrarians or

1479
00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:04,680
maybe I talked about that

1480
00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:06,660
um earlier I think that that they're

1481
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:09,660
contrarians too and so how do you be a

1482
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:11,339
contrarian in a room full of contrarians

1483
00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:13,380
well you you go you do the opposite of

1484
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,940
whatever it is that that you know

1485
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,559
whatever if they all Zig you're going to

1486
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,480
Zack that's what you do

1487
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:20,640
um and so I do think there could be that

1488
00:58:25,790 --> 00:58:23,520
aspect to it and you know I will

1489
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:25,800
I will um

1490
00:58:29,690 --> 00:58:28,140
you know to some extent leave the

1491
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:29,700
possibility open that maybe he actually

1492
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,500
believes it maybe he actually believes

1493
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:33,359
that stuff he's got this idea that if

1494
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:35,099
that happens if all of this stuff

1495
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:36,660
happened I I would have known about it

1496
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:38,760
and that's you hear that quite often

1497
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:40,859
with people at at high levels if this is

1498
00:58:43,309 --> 00:58:41,940
the case then I would have known about

1499
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:43,319
it Chris melon used to say the same

1500
00:58:49,069 --> 00:58:46,380
thing and he switched um notably

1501
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,079
um that's true and and so uh

1502
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,440
you know I think I think to some extent

1503
00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:54,000
uh that that could be the case also

1504
00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:55,980
maybe it's the case that he got in you

1505
00:58:59,450 --> 00:58:57,720
know that that maybe he maybe he's

1506
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:59,460
involved in a program

1507
00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:01,200
um you know or multiple programs or has

1508
00:59:05,569 --> 00:59:03,540
been and that's just part of you know

1509
00:59:07,069 --> 00:59:05,579
part of the deal you you're working on

1510
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:07,079
this program you have to play ball you

1511
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:08,460
have to say what we tell you to say and

1512
00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:10,200
if he does if he has to do that then

1513
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:11,880
that's what he has to do I mean sign

1514
00:59:17,210 --> 00:59:14,240
contracts you sign ndas

1515
00:59:20,089 --> 00:59:17,220
you have to lie sometimes it's really

1516
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:20,099
clear uh reading loose threads that uh

1517
00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:22,140
all of these people know a whole lot

1518
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:25,799
more yes about this than is public yeah

1519
00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:28,440
precisely yes and you know I've been

1520
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:30,660
told before by

1521
00:59:37,609 --> 00:59:33,540
somebody who you know I respect their

1522
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,619
opinion that and that they are the mj-12

1523
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:39,359
that they are the kind of the control

1524
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:42,720
system around this so you never know I

1525
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:45,540
mean if like I told Jay last week

1526
00:59:49,609 --> 00:59:47,460
um if there's Congressional hearings I

1527
00:59:52,490 --> 00:59:49,619
now know who I want to testify because

1528
00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:54,170
I would like to see each and every one

1529
00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:56,099
of those people in there John Alexander

1530
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,680
Bob Bilbo Jacques valet helped boot off

1531
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,200
Eric Davis like why would we not bring

1532
01:00:05,930 --> 01:00:03,839
them up there I understand that uh you

1533
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:05,940
know pilots and sightings are are great

1534
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,280
right but if these people have been

1535
01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:10,799
studying it for decades some of which

1536
01:00:14,990 --> 01:00:12,299
has been done with with Government

1537
01:00:15,609 --> 01:00:15,000
funding like why aren't these people

1538
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:15,619
um

1539
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:18,780
testifying yeah here's that picture I

1540
01:00:23,710 --> 01:00:20,700
was telling you about wow oh nice I took

1541
01:00:25,849 --> 01:00:23,720
a screenshot of it yeah there it is yeah

1542
01:00:27,289 --> 01:00:25,859
I think I might have to grab that one

1543
01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:27,299
from you man that's that's pretty great

1544
01:00:33,730 --> 01:00:30,540
all right yeah that doesn't seem right

1545
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:37,069
I think one of the things that we that

1546
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:39,480
we really tried to do was examine not

1547
01:00:41,930 --> 01:00:40,319
just

1548
01:00:43,789 --> 01:00:41,940
um them individually but their

1549
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:43,799
interpersonal relationships you know try

1550
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:45,780
to get down to the sociology of the of

1551
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,400
the onion if you will

1552
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:49,920
um a sort of this multi-layered

1553
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:53,220
um collaboration you know uh across you

1554
01:00:55,970 --> 01:00:54,480
know different institutions it's not

1555
01:00:56,930 --> 01:00:55,980
even just with uh you know with the

1556
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,940
advanced theoretical physics working

1557
01:01:01,849 --> 01:00:58,799
group you know the core group they were

1558
01:01:04,730 --> 01:01:01,859
intact back in the 70s at SRI you know

1559
01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:04,740
uh yeah and I found I found a document

1560
01:01:11,870 --> 01:01:07,740
in the cia's foyer reading room for Sri

1561
01:01:14,809 --> 01:01:11,880
I think it was like 1973 where they're

1562
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:14,819
um uh proposing to the CIA if they have

1563
01:01:19,849 --> 01:01:16,260
an interest

1564
01:01:21,049 --> 01:01:19,859
um if they were to study UFOs yeah wow

1565
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:21,059
that's pretty interesting because you

1566
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:24,240
don't see UFOs actually connected sorry

1567
01:01:28,010 --> 01:01:26,040
other than you know

1568
01:01:29,690 --> 01:01:28,020
maybe through a remote viewing session

1569
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:29,700
or something but this is explicit where

1570
01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:31,200
they're where they're asking about it so

1571
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:33,180
that's interesting you know Jacques

1572
01:01:37,370 --> 01:01:34,980
ballet was

1573
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,380
um was a consultant there uh you know

1574
01:01:40,609 --> 01:01:39,119
and he was looking at that UFO

1575
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:40,619
connection that the connection between

1576
01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:42,900
their remote viewers and

1577
01:01:47,089 --> 01:01:44,520
um UFO experience

1578
01:01:48,049 --> 01:01:47,099
uh experiences he was brought in as a

1579
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:48,059
consultant

1580
01:01:52,010 --> 01:01:49,680
um and at the same time he was working

1581
01:01:53,569 --> 01:01:52,020
at DARPA you know um and so I think

1582
01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:53,579
that's something that that keeps coming

1583
01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:56,900
up and uh you know as as latest

1584
01:02:02,329 --> 01:01:59,040
you know there seems they're still

1585
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:02,339
involved so you you just mentioned DARPA

1586
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:03,359
so

1587
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:05,640
you know in the Blue Book files towards

1588
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:07,380
the end they had something called space

1589
01:02:10,849 --> 01:02:09,839
Trek which was how they would keep track

1590
01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:10,859
of

1591
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,859
uh like uh

1592
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:15,839
um like the Soviet Satellites and

1593
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:18,119
everything so like if a UFO sighting

1594
01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:19,260
will come in or whatever they could

1595
01:02:22,930 --> 01:02:20,579
correlate it with the space direct

1596
01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:22,940
system and and see what it was

1597
01:02:31,250 --> 01:02:25,799
space wreck at the end of Blue Book went

1598
01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:31,260
so like 69.70 got handed over it to be

1599
01:02:37,010 --> 01:02:33,960
uh ran by DARPA

1600
01:02:38,809 --> 01:02:37,020
wow something interesting yeah I think

1601
01:02:41,329 --> 01:02:38,819
those ties are strong and and you know

1602
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:41,339
we we had a a statement that was there

1603
01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:43,020
by ballet that said that his work at

1604
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:45,780
DARPA can connected him to other people

1605
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,760
that were studying this subject at a

1606
01:02:51,010 --> 01:02:49,680
high level and this was early

1607
01:02:53,710 --> 01:02:51,020
um you know one thing that's interesting

1608
01:02:57,710 --> 01:02:53,720
uh you know is the the Soviet connection

1609
01:02:59,089 --> 01:02:57,720
which we didn't talk about too much

1610
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:59,099
um you know we kind of started things

1611
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:01,200
with you know at SRI

1612
01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:03,660
um but you know SRI doesn't probably

1613
01:03:09,289 --> 01:03:06,780
happen without uh Soviet intercepts

1614
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:09,299
without them realizing that

1615
01:03:13,789 --> 01:03:11,400
um the Soviets are you know doing all of

1616
01:03:15,710 --> 01:03:13,799
this work with psycho energetics and so

1617
01:03:18,049 --> 01:03:15,720
if you don't have that and honestly I

1618
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,059
think that probably came from the NSA

1619
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:20,160
um you know and and so you have though

1620
01:03:25,849 --> 01:03:23,160
that that's almost like maybe the the um

1621
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:25,859
the preview to and the Catalyst for this

1622
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:27,900
whole to where we are today I mean I

1623
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:30,480
really I really firmly believe

1624
01:03:35,210 --> 01:03:32,760
um and I think we firmly believe that we

1625
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,220
are not where we are today a

1626
01:03:39,530 --> 01:03:37,200
um you know having this conversation if

1627
01:03:41,870 --> 01:03:39,540
it was not for this Core Group this

1628
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,880
movement from from then and I know

1629
01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:43,440
there's obviously you could go real

1630
01:03:46,490 --> 01:03:45,420
really back far in history but I think

1631
01:03:54,650 --> 01:03:46,500
that

1632
01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:54,660
moving forward is is really crucial and

1633
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:56,579
it's and it's not a history that's been

1634
01:04:01,730 --> 01:03:59,280
very available to us

1635
01:04:03,289 --> 01:04:01,740
um you know I I feel like the secret

1636
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,299
keepers have maybe gotten better at

1637
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:05,520
keeping secrets you know over the years

1638
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:07,260
um and you know they've perfected their

1639
01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:08,400
crap

1640
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:10,020
um and so

1641
01:04:14,329 --> 01:04:12,000
yeah that that's a I think that the

1642
01:04:16,010 --> 01:04:14,339
history is important and and it's sort

1643
01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:16,020
of startling to see some of the stuff

1644
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:17,640
that that we might just be learning

1645
01:04:23,329 --> 01:04:20,940
about today they were um you know they

1646
01:04:24,770 --> 01:04:23,339
were studying back in the 80s you know

1647
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,780
some of the stuff some of those really

1648
01:04:29,089 --> 01:04:26,160
advanced concepts that we're just

1649
01:04:31,849 --> 01:04:29,099
stumbling upon you know as a community

1650
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:31,859
um today in you know 2022.

1651
01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:35,160
it's really interesting the the SRI the

1652
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:37,500
the one of the things with regard to

1653
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:39,540
like what you're talking about in terms

1654
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,720
of like Soviet that if it wasn't for the

1655
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:44,880
Soviet intercepts that we might not have

1656
01:04:50,329 --> 01:04:47,520
SRI in general it's also interesting

1657
01:04:52,849 --> 01:04:50,339
that that that became like

1658
01:04:54,829 --> 01:04:52,859
you know the book mind reach that put

1659
01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:54,839
off in targ wrote they're calling a

1660
01:04:59,569 --> 01:04:57,660
classic book of the what they were able

1661
01:05:02,690 --> 01:04:59,579
to say at the time

1662
01:05:04,490 --> 01:05:02,700
um publicly uh in a Declassified way you

1663
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:04,500
know as a big book I've got my copy over

1664
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:06,780
of it right over here I've got one too

1665
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:09,900
yeah super great book if whoever if you

1666
01:05:15,289 --> 01:05:12,180
haven't read mindreach anybody out there

1667
01:05:16,849 --> 01:05:15,299
it's amazing it's incredible it's one of

1668
01:05:19,069 --> 01:05:16,859
the what's one of the best books in the

1669
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:19,079
field in a lot of ways um there's so

1670
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,760
many wonderful pictures in there you

1671
01:05:25,309 --> 01:05:22,559
little you see all this great stuff of

1672
01:05:27,410 --> 01:05:25,319
you know like targ and put off sitting

1673
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,420
there with like uh you know they're

1674
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,520
they're they're wild uh Turtle

1675
01:05:33,410 --> 01:05:31,440
turtlenecks on stuff like this looking

1676
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:33,420
like Carl Sagan it's great you get to

1677
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:35,220
see their Lounge area downstairs with

1678
01:05:39,890 --> 01:05:37,980
the Shag carpeting it rules so but like

1679
01:05:42,829 --> 01:05:39,900
the thing about it is is that you know

1680
01:05:45,230 --> 01:05:42,839
that book had to be published basically

1681
01:05:48,650 --> 01:05:45,240
um as a face saving maneuver because

1682
01:05:50,089 --> 01:05:48,660
there's an expose of the SRI program and

1683
01:05:53,030 --> 01:05:50,099
I believe it was from Time Magazine

1684
01:05:55,069 --> 01:05:53,040
right and the thing was is that you know

1685
01:05:57,049 --> 01:05:55,079
the first thing the first explanation

1686
01:05:58,370 --> 01:05:57,059
that they stated at the time is they

1687
01:05:59,870 --> 01:05:58,380
pointed at the Soviets and they were

1688
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,880
like well they were doing it first and

1689
01:06:03,470 --> 01:06:01,680
so that's why we had to do this and then

1690
01:06:05,809 --> 01:06:03,480
that's been an accepted part of the lore

1691
01:06:07,789 --> 01:06:05,819
ever since and I think it's true you

1692
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,799
know what I mean and like you know you

1693
01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:09,599
and I were both in the room

1694
01:06:15,950 --> 01:06:13,260
um when um uh when when one of the later

1695
01:06:18,109 --> 01:06:15,960
project heads of Stargate um was was

1696
01:06:20,569 --> 01:06:18,119
taught was also talking about you know

1697
01:06:22,490 --> 01:06:20,579
the trying to keep up with the Soviets

1698
01:06:24,190 --> 01:06:22,500
at the time with regard to remember the

1699
01:06:30,770 --> 01:06:24,200
feeling but it's also funny because like

1700
01:06:34,849 --> 01:06:30,780
the SRI program was exposed by a

1701
01:06:36,589 --> 01:06:34,859
publication right that notoriously was

1702
01:06:40,130 --> 01:06:36,599
connected with project Mockingbird at

1703
01:06:44,569 --> 01:06:40,140
the time right so it's like like so it's

1704
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:44,579
like okay wow right so yeah that is its

1705
01:06:48,529 --> 01:06:46,380
own version you know when I think about

1706
01:06:50,270 --> 01:06:48,539
that and then the book coming out you

1707
01:06:52,609 --> 01:06:50,280
could draw a lot of parallels actually

1708
01:06:54,770 --> 01:06:52,619
between between that and say more

1709
01:06:56,329 --> 01:06:54,780
contemporary books like you know like

1710
01:06:58,010 --> 01:06:56,339
say Skin Walkers at the Pentagon or

1711
01:07:00,109 --> 01:06:58,020
something like that yeah that are that

1712
01:07:03,170 --> 01:07:00,119
there are a version of like a

1713
01:07:05,329 --> 01:07:03,180
contemporary mythologized version of of

1714
01:07:07,970 --> 01:07:05,339
like what's been happening recently in

1715
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:07,980
similar programs does that make sense no

1716
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,500
that makes total sense and you know

1717
01:07:15,529 --> 01:07:12,720
um that I I hadn't made that connection

1718
01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:15,539
and that's that's a really uh that

1719
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:17,460
that's really great and I think I think

1720
01:07:19,970 --> 01:07:18,780
you're absolutely right and if you have

1721
01:07:20,750 --> 01:07:19,980
to think

1722
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:20,760
um

1723
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,260
I think and this is another

1724
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,480
controversial subject I think that

1725
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:25,920
remote viewing might be a bigger secret

1726
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:28,680
than UFOs I think it might be

1727
01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:31,619
um because if that is the case you know

1728
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:33,780
you have to think number one

1729
01:07:38,569 --> 01:07:36,180
um people need to think that it's

1730
01:07:40,849 --> 01:07:38,579
nonsense people need to think that it's

1731
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:40,859
that it's complete you know Hokum that

1732
01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:42,660
if there's nothing to it

1733
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,780
um you know and so and and I do think

1734
01:07:49,609 --> 01:07:47,760
that if you look at the people who did

1735
01:07:51,529 --> 01:07:49,619
the studies the people who are actively

1736
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,539
involved in the studies even the ones

1737
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:52,799
who are maybe a little bit more on the

1738
01:07:58,849 --> 01:07:56,640
skeptical end they consistently say that

1739
01:08:00,289 --> 01:07:58,859
our results have been understated not

1740
01:08:01,430 --> 01:08:00,299
overstated

1741
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:01,440
um you know there's this there's always

1742
01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:03,119
this line even among people who are

1743
01:08:06,430 --> 01:08:05,339
strong like UFO Believers and you know

1744
01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:06,440
they believe in Interventional

1745
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,700
interdimensional Bigfoot and and all

1746
01:08:12,170 --> 01:08:10,079
these other things but like oh I don't

1747
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,180
know about the remote viewing stuff

1748
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:14,160
um and because because it wouldn't have

1749
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:16,259
any intelligence value but here's the

1750
01:08:20,030 --> 01:08:18,719
thing it had intelligence value you want

1751
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:20,040
to know how we know because they had

1752
01:08:26,689 --> 01:08:23,279
clients in the 70s and 80s they were not

1753
01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:26,699
just doing research they were actually

1754
01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:28,380
um doing uh it seems like they had

1755
01:08:31,309 --> 01:08:30,060
clients like the Air Force used them as

1756
01:08:33,050 --> 01:08:31,319
a client

1757
01:08:34,370 --> 01:08:33,060
um you know uh one thing that we didn't

1758
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:34,380
put in there I wish I had because it's

1759
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:37,380
It's Kind of a Funny a funny anecdote is

1760
01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:41,279
Dale Graf who was the program manager I

1761
01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:45,000
believe during the DIA years

1762
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,020
he went to the premiere of The Men Who

1763
01:08:52,329 --> 01:08:51,120
Stare at Goats and he was the only

1764
01:08:54,769 --> 01:08:52,339
person there

1765
01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:54,779
associated with the program who showed

1766
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,020
up to that movie premiere and he did an

1767
01:09:02,329 --> 01:09:00,960
interview and you know the interviewer

1768
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:02,339
asked him well what did they really do

1769
01:09:07,130 --> 01:09:05,699
what did Stargate really do and he said

1770
01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:07,140
well you know they they could make a

1771
01:09:10,370 --> 01:09:08,520
movie about it but they wouldn't call it

1772
01:09:12,410 --> 01:09:10,380
Midwestern goats They Call It The Men

1773
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:12,420
Who Stare at boats

1774
01:09:15,709 --> 01:09:13,920
um because that's what they were doing

1775
01:09:16,910 --> 01:09:15,719
they were submarine spotting they were

1776
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:16,920
they were

1777
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:19,440
um you know the Navy was highly aware of

1778
01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:20,880
what they were doing I'm almost certain

1779
01:09:23,689 --> 01:09:21,960
of it

1780
01:09:25,309 --> 01:09:23,699
um they were very Adept at these sorts

1781
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:25,319
of operations and you have to think

1782
01:09:28,970 --> 01:09:26,880
about it that's a pretty low risk thing

1783
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:28,980
if someone says hey you should look here

1784
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:30,900
at this coordinate if you look there and

1785
01:09:34,970 --> 01:09:33,179
there's nothing there no harm no foul

1786
01:09:37,010 --> 01:09:34,980
right like I don't really see where you

1787
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:37,020
know it's almost like people think that

1788
01:09:41,930 --> 01:09:38,880
you have to be a hundred percent with

1789
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:41,940
remote viewing for it to have any value

1790
01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:44,880
um but no Intel Gathering you know

1791
01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:47,100
activity is a hundred percent if you

1792
01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:50,100
combine this information with all of the

1793
01:09:54,169 --> 01:09:51,420
other you know things and put it into

1794
01:09:55,790 --> 01:09:54,179
context or and usually the the viewers

1795
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:55,800
you're not just using one remote viewer

1796
01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:57,540
you're going to use five ten remote

1797
01:10:03,410 --> 01:10:00,660
viewers looking at the same Target and

1798
01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:03,420
um you know it even if it only had you

1799
01:10:07,490 --> 01:10:04,620
know some of people say oh it's only

1800
01:10:09,169 --> 01:10:07,500
maybe like 20 accurate well that's I I

1801
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:09,179
don't believe that at all and if you

1802
01:10:11,570 --> 01:10:10,440
listen to the people who worked on the

1803
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:11,580
study

1804
01:10:14,750 --> 01:10:12,840
um you know the actual researchers

1805
01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:14,760
themselves it was way better than 20

1806
01:10:19,610 --> 01:10:16,920
with a lot of these remote viewers

1807
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,620
um that has value 20 is better than zero

1808
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:21,360
percent if it gives you a hint of like

1809
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:22,980
hey maybe in this General vicinity check

1810
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,860
that out that's valuable and and in the

1811
01:10:30,890 --> 01:10:27,600
Wilson Davis notes

1812
01:10:33,530 --> 01:10:30,900
um you know uh you know uh vice admiral

1813
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,540
Wilson says you know oh this remote

1814
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:35,520
viewing I know something of this right

1815
01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:37,080
he'd heard of it

1816
01:10:41,209 --> 01:10:39,300
um right and and you know this is in

1817
01:10:43,850 --> 01:10:41,219
2002

1818
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:43,860
and so uh you know we kind of made that

1819
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:46,140
connection with Bobby Ray Inman you know

1820
01:10:49,610 --> 01:10:48,360
that if uh vice admiral Wilson knows

1821
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:49,620
about it then you can bet that Bobby Ray

1822
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:51,420
Inman knows about it too

1823
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:53,400
um and and in fact you know if you look

1824
01:10:58,430 --> 01:10:56,400
at where SRI was you know that's where

1825
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,440
it's almost like he was in all of those

1826
01:11:03,770 --> 01:11:01,440
he was at CIA right director

1827
01:11:05,450 --> 01:11:03,780
um of uh I'll have to look at the speed

1828
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:05,460
he's the director of uh was it Science

1829
01:11:08,930 --> 01:11:07,140
and Technology

1830
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:08,940
um one of those he was off to look up

1831
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,580
which director he was over he was

1832
01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:14,159
um you know director of NSA he was you

1833
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:16,199
know at the Navy and and you know they

1834
01:11:20,689 --> 01:11:18,360
were a client almost certainly

1835
01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:20,699
um and then you have saic popping into

1836
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:23,219
the picture and who tries to get Soul

1837
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,260
control of this program

1838
01:11:29,689 --> 01:11:27,360
um but saic who you know he's he's

1839
01:11:32,350 --> 01:11:29,699
captain of the board over there

1840
01:11:35,450 --> 01:11:32,360
um and so there's

1841
01:11:38,510 --> 01:11:35,460
remote viewing is a big deal and and I I

1842
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,520
think that people get tripped up by that

1843
01:11:41,149 --> 01:11:40,080
um and I think they get credulous even

1844
01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:41,159
people like I said who believe in you

1845
01:11:45,709 --> 01:11:42,840
UFOs and all you know all sorts of

1846
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,719
things for whatever reason uh you know

1847
01:11:48,649 --> 01:11:47,040
remote viewing is kind of a Sticky

1848
01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:48,659
Wicket for them but I would I would

1849
01:11:52,610 --> 01:11:50,040
encourage people if you if you're not

1850
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:52,620
convinced try it you know that you can

1851
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:54,120
try it you could there are some free

1852
01:11:57,950 --> 01:11:55,980
courses out there I did Lori Williams

1853
01:11:58,910 --> 01:11:57,960
free course

1854
01:12:01,310 --> 01:11:58,920
um

1855
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,320
and how did that turn out for you it it

1856
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:03,120
turned me into a Believer that's what it

1857
01:12:06,290 --> 01:12:05,100
did and I mean I'm I'm a little bit more

1858
01:12:08,090 --> 01:12:06,300
credulous

1859
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:08,100
um and I know that about myself but I

1860
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,420
mean if you were to look at the data and

1861
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,520
look at what the target was I mean was I

1862
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:13,679
100 on it no but I would say I was

1863
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:17,040
probably above 50 which if you're if

1864
01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:18,719
you're thinking I mean that

1865
01:12:22,250 --> 01:12:20,460
statistically that has to be you know

1866
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,260
insane you know I'm not going to do the

1867
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,000
math I'm not a map guy

1868
01:12:29,390 --> 01:12:26,400
um but it was enough that personal

1869
01:12:30,830 --> 01:12:29,400
experience was enough for me combined

1870
01:12:33,290 --> 01:12:30,840
with hearing all of these subject matter

1871
01:12:35,450 --> 01:12:33,300
experts the very people who actually you

1872
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,460
know as part of their life's work did

1873
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:37,199
the research

1874
01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:39,900
um right I I think I think there's a

1875
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:41,640
there there and you know and so that's

1876
01:12:46,370 --> 01:12:44,460
why I was really excited when um when I

1877
01:12:47,090 --> 01:12:46,380
was able to find those

1878
01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:47,100
um

1879
01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:49,739
you know those lectures from scitec in

1880
01:12:53,630 --> 01:12:51,300
the early 90s which is actually before

1881
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:53,640
remote viewing was Declassified

1882
01:12:57,050 --> 01:12:55,199
um you know they were in a room full of

1883
01:12:58,910 --> 01:12:57,060
people at uh abduction conference

1884
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:58,920
believe it or not you know talking about

1885
01:13:02,450 --> 01:13:00,840
remote viewing and all of the different

1886
01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:02,460
ways they were using it and oh we found

1887
01:13:06,050 --> 01:13:04,860
this UFO site that's a that's a little

1888
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:06,060
piece that I haven't seen too many

1889
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:06,960
people

1890
01:13:12,110 --> 01:13:09,840
um look at is the the UFO site at Iron

1891
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:12,120
Mountain which is and basically it looks

1892
01:13:16,189 --> 01:13:14,100
to me like maybe the most interesting

1893
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:16,199
UFO hotspot in the world just where it's

1894
01:13:21,410 --> 01:13:17,820
at you know it's right there by Kirtland

1895
01:13:23,330 --> 01:13:21,420
and um the Trinity site and and Socorro

1896
01:13:25,130 --> 01:13:23,340
and and and

1897
01:13:26,810 --> 01:13:25,140
um you know that and apparently they

1898
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:26,820
were remote viewing crap that were you

1899
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:29,760
know in this area and and trying to use

1900
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,920
that for reverse engineering and

1901
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:33,840
um and I think that you know doctor put

1902
01:13:38,090 --> 01:13:36,719
off and you know uh you know Colonel

1903
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:38,100
Alexander they were very involved in

1904
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:39,360
these things it wasn't like there was

1905
01:13:44,590 --> 01:13:42,239
this side crew that was you know um like

1906
01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:47,090
yeah they were they were involved with

1907
01:13:51,050 --> 01:13:49,560
this it was not a sideshow and I think

1908
01:13:53,149 --> 01:13:51,060
that's one thing I really wanted people

1909
01:13:55,970 --> 01:13:53,159
to see that we really wanted people to

1910
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:55,980
see is that this you know this um sort

1911
01:14:02,209 --> 01:13:59,760
of uh uh remote viewing and really just

1912
01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:02,219
uh psychokinesis all of these things are

1913
01:14:06,649 --> 01:14:04,260
not side pieces to this mystery at all

1914
01:14:08,689 --> 01:14:06,659
they are woven they've been woven in

1915
01:14:10,850 --> 01:14:08,699
from literally the beginning

1916
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:10,860
um and and even going bringing back the

1917
01:14:14,990 --> 01:14:13,440
Sheehan thing you know those we've had

1918
01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:15,000
that's been part of the lore for a long

1919
01:14:17,630 --> 01:14:16,260
time you know the panels with the

1920
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:17,640
handprints on them I mean that's been

1921
01:14:22,130 --> 01:14:18,540
around

1922
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:22,140
that that's not a New Concept and and

1923
01:14:26,209 --> 01:14:24,900
um I don't know you know where that

1924
01:14:27,649 --> 01:14:26,219
started that that would be something

1925
01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:27,659
Sean you probably would be able to dig

1926
01:14:31,970 --> 01:14:29,460
up pretty quickly it's like when where

1927
01:14:33,709 --> 01:14:31,980
do we first hear about that that method

1928
01:14:34,910 --> 01:14:33,719
for piloting The Craft

1929
01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:34,920
um you know we have it in secret

1930
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:37,080
machines I know that Chris Bledsoe said

1931
01:14:40,430 --> 01:14:38,640
the same thing there's like a sphere you

1932
01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:40,440
put your hand on kind of thing

1933
01:14:45,290 --> 01:14:43,140
um but yeah just wondering no that's

1934
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:45,300
starting to be really cool yeah that's a

1935
01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:48,360
good point that's a good point

1936
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:50,520
um that I mean that the two have been to

1937
01:14:55,610 --> 01:14:53,520
Consciousness and you know uh technology

1938
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:55,620
have been tiptoeing around each other

1939
01:15:01,070 --> 01:14:58,080
the whole time right yeah since UFO

1940
01:15:03,290 --> 01:15:01,080
sightings there have been people who you

1941
01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:03,300
know have tried to make contact or or

1942
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:05,460
meditate and

1943
01:15:11,330 --> 01:15:08,340
um kind of bring that to the to the fold

1944
01:15:13,490 --> 01:15:11,340
all along the while there being this

1945
01:15:16,010 --> 01:15:13,500
nuts and bolts you know importance to it

1946
01:15:18,169 --> 01:15:16,020
I mean I'll always always remember one

1947
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:18,179
of the first uh uh at

1948
01:15:23,149 --> 01:15:20,940
uh attic it's called

1949
01:15:25,070 --> 01:15:23,159
um Advanced technical Intelligence

1950
01:15:26,570 --> 01:15:25,080
Center

1951
01:15:29,390 --> 01:15:26,580
um you know back in the 40s or whatever

1952
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:29,400
but they came out with a a report and

1953
01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:30,719
documented you know some of their

1954
01:15:36,410 --> 01:15:33,540
meetings and in in one of the documents

1955
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:36,420
they tasked the Rand Corporation to come

1956
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:38,340
up with the vehicle

1957
01:15:45,169 --> 01:15:41,040
um that would be necessary to Traverse

1958
01:15:49,130 --> 01:15:45,179
space from planet to planet you know wow

1959
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:49,140
um and this is in a a UFO you know staff

1960
01:15:55,130 --> 01:15:51,480
study kind of kind of thing for Blue

1961
01:15:57,649 --> 01:15:55,140
Book so you know to me a lot of this is

1962
01:15:59,450 --> 01:15:57,659
kind of going all the way back to

1963
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,460
towards when we first started talking

1964
01:16:04,130 --> 01:16:01,679
about expanding your horizons and

1965
01:16:07,010 --> 01:16:04,140
knowledge right so try to design

1966
01:16:09,530 --> 01:16:07,020
something that would be able to you know

1967
01:16:11,390 --> 01:16:09,540
go Interstellar and come here and do 90

1968
01:16:13,729 --> 01:16:11,400
degree turns and all this kind of stuff

1969
01:16:16,370 --> 01:16:13,739
because even if you fall short of it

1970
01:16:20,270 --> 01:16:16,380
right whatever you designed is going to

1971
01:16:21,890 --> 01:16:20,280
be damn cool yeah yeah but you know yeah

1972
01:16:23,689 --> 01:16:21,900
it's like you see the capability is

1973
01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:23,699
there and just the fact that it's

1974
01:16:28,430 --> 01:16:26,100
possible means that it's possible right

1975
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:28,440
if you saw it then you know believe

1976
01:16:32,209 --> 01:16:31,020
you're lying eyes right it can happen so

1977
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:32,219
what do we have to do to make this

1978
01:16:35,630 --> 01:16:34,320
happen and

1979
01:16:37,250 --> 01:16:35,640
um that's where the advanced theoretical

1980
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:37,260
physics and the Consciousness piece come

1981
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:38,400
into it

1982
01:16:46,450 --> 01:16:42,360
um yeah so yeah it's the singularity The

1983
01:16:49,310 --> 01:16:46,460
Singularity yeah I I have a a wearable

1984
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:49,320
uh like amused headband I thought about

1985
01:16:52,209 --> 01:16:51,480
wearing it just to freak you guys out

1986
01:16:54,830 --> 01:16:52,219
um

1987
01:16:58,490 --> 01:16:54,840
just recording my brain waves through

1988
01:17:00,110 --> 01:16:58,500
this entire oh man that'd be so sick I

1989
01:17:01,850 --> 01:17:00,120
think I think you'd have to go a little

1990
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:01,860
bit farther to really freak me out but

1991
01:17:10,090 --> 01:17:04,920
uh yeah yeah that's probably the case

1992
01:17:16,010 --> 01:17:14,450
so okay so a couple things like um I I

1993
01:17:17,689 --> 01:17:16,020
like I don't know how your time is but

1994
01:17:19,250 --> 01:17:17,699
like I I do have like a couple more

1995
01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:19,260
questions how are you doing Sean are you

1996
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:20,760
doing okay for the moment are you you

1997
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,040
can yeah I got like 10 minutes

1998
01:17:27,410 --> 01:17:24,960
okay great okay

1999
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:27,420
um yeah I was I was wondering okay two

2000
01:17:31,490 --> 01:17:29,940
of the things that I really you know of

2001
01:17:33,229 --> 01:17:31,500
the many

2002
01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:33,239
um points that came up in loose threads

2003
01:17:39,649 --> 01:17:36,780
that that were really pretty fascinating

2004
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:39,659
um and you really kind of you and Hermes

2005
01:17:44,450 --> 01:17:41,880
really kind of threw a light on one was

2006
01:17:48,649 --> 01:17:44,460
really kind of laying out

2007
01:17:51,229 --> 01:17:48,659
um the you know Bobby Ray Edmonds

2008
01:17:53,410 --> 01:17:51,239
um uh uh

2009
01:17:57,709 --> 01:17:53,420
and his

2010
01:17:59,689 --> 01:17:57,719
very kind of his presence and and like

2011
01:18:02,570 --> 01:17:59,699
how far reaching

2012
01:18:05,090 --> 01:18:02,580
um his work really was and how much

2013
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:05,100
um actual evidence there was including

2014
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,380
like audio evidence of of him

2015
01:18:11,090 --> 01:18:09,360
acknowledging

2016
01:18:13,790 --> 01:18:11,100
um the work that he was doing and

2017
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:13,800
probably overseeing help helping to

2018
01:18:19,729 --> 01:18:16,560
oversee a large engineering project that

2019
01:18:21,470 --> 01:18:19,739
sounds like it was it was overseeing uh

2020
01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:21,480
reverse engineering with regards to

2021
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:24,900
retrieved materials exotic craft Etc now

2022
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:27,679
another thing was that that the

2023
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:30,000
theoretical the advanced physics working

2024
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:33,120
group and that whole you know how that

2025
01:18:38,810 --> 01:18:35,760
kind of became a family tree that fed

2026
01:18:41,930 --> 01:18:38,820
into nids and OSAP and all that but how

2027
01:18:45,290 --> 01:18:41,940
that actually was originally housed as I

2028
01:18:47,209 --> 01:18:45,300
recall in a skiff at um Braddock Dunn

2029
01:18:48,830 --> 01:18:47,219
and McDonald right

2030
01:18:51,050 --> 01:18:48,840
um and the second and the secure

2031
01:18:52,669 --> 01:18:51,060
facility in Braddock down in McDonald

2032
01:18:55,070 --> 01:18:52,679
where there are meetings so that they

2033
01:18:59,410 --> 01:18:55,080
could be private and not be not but that

2034
01:19:04,790 --> 01:18:59,420
that that that defense contractor BDM

2035
01:19:10,430 --> 01:19:08,209
so is that the best part uh oh yeah

2036
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:10,440
where you imply the secrets to the

2037
01:19:15,890 --> 01:19:13,020
universe where you imply were you

2038
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:15,900
implied yeah if I was Art Bell I would

2039
01:19:20,030 --> 01:19:18,239
have like blamed like the DIA for that

2040
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:20,040
but I'm not gonna do that

2041
01:19:25,370 --> 01:19:23,760
um but but um but uh so you and you you

2042
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:25,380
strongly implied and it seemed like

2043
01:19:31,729 --> 01:19:27,840
there was there was a there there that

2044
01:19:34,189 --> 01:19:31,739
BDM might have had at the time some

2045
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,199
crashed rich or retrieved materials

2046
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:36,960
themselves and so you have this you have

2047
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:39,600
them housing or if they weren't there

2048
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:42,000
maybe they were at saic in a very close

2049
01:19:45,709 --> 01:19:43,739
by kind of proximity or something like

2050
01:19:48,169 --> 01:19:45,719
this so

2051
01:19:50,990 --> 01:19:48,179
um like those were two like holy [\h__\h]

2052
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:51,000
aspects for me you know with our last

2053
01:19:56,330 --> 01:19:54,239
few minutes here what did you have what

2054
01:19:58,729 --> 01:19:56,340
have did you bury in loose threads that

2055
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:58,739
nobody's really looked at yet you know

2056
01:20:03,709 --> 01:20:00,960
in the in the last two weeks or are

2057
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,719
there any like fun threads that that you

2058
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:06,000
that you guys wove in there that you

2059
01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:07,679
feel haven't been highlighted or haven't

2060
01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:10,860
been highlighted it enough yet that's a

2061
01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:11,820
good question

2062
01:20:14,570 --> 01:20:12,780
um

2063
01:20:16,370 --> 01:20:14,580
boy I wish Hermes was here and he

2064
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:16,380
probably is in the room with me right

2065
01:20:20,209 --> 01:20:19,020
now um astrally projecting

2066
01:20:21,530 --> 01:20:20,219
um

2067
01:20:24,530 --> 01:20:21,540
you know

2068
01:20:26,090 --> 01:20:24,540
I think that let me I made it kind of a

2069
01:20:27,530 --> 01:20:26,100
let me look here and see if I had

2070
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,540
something

2071
01:20:32,030 --> 01:20:29,280
um

2072
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:32,040
I think one thing that that

2073
01:20:35,390 --> 01:20:34,080
just an aspect I don't know if it's just

2074
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:35,400
like a single little thing that that I

2075
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,840
haven't seen too many people run with is

2076
01:20:43,970 --> 01:20:42,000
um foia and I know we were talking you

2077
01:20:46,189 --> 01:20:43,980
guys were talking earlier about foia and

2078
01:20:48,050 --> 01:20:46,199
you know that however I do think you

2079
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:48,060
know we used foia documents in loose

2080
01:20:51,770 --> 01:20:50,400
threads and

2081
01:20:53,209 --> 01:20:51,780
um you know something that that just

2082
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:53,219
kind of reading between the lines and

2083
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,480
this is something that Hermes kind of

2084
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:56,159
Drew my attention to so he gets all the

2085
01:20:58,610 --> 01:20:57,360
credit and he should get all the credit

2086
01:21:00,290 --> 01:20:58,620
for everything

2087
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,300
um is

2088
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:03,120
that it's possible that maybe we should

2089
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:05,940
be foying ap10 and maybe we should be

2090
01:21:11,689 --> 01:21:09,120
foing ATP 10 and we should basically

2091
01:21:13,970 --> 01:21:11,699
give them hell through foia through all

2092
01:21:15,530 --> 01:21:13,980
of these different uh you know to try

2093
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:15,540
and see because it's possible that maybe

2094
01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:18,960
apt AP 10 or ATP 10

2095
01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:20,760
um that that maybe that was the actual

2096
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:23,820
you know code or or whatever

2097
01:21:28,610 --> 01:21:26,340
um the other thing is there was uh you

2098
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:28,620
know apparently a briefing book that was

2099
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:31,199
produced by Colonel Alexander

2100
01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:33,300
um trying to go and get funding for sure

2101
01:21:37,970 --> 01:21:36,600
yeah um and so I think that uh you know

2102
01:21:39,709 --> 01:21:37,980
it would be really cool if there's

2103
01:21:42,530 --> 01:21:39,719
anybody out there that you know if

2104
01:21:45,050 --> 01:21:42,540
Melinda Leslie if you or Jay or anybody

2105
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:45,060
out there J2 uh anybody out there knows

2106
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:47,040
where that's at or Oak if he's out there

2107
01:21:50,330 --> 01:21:48,719
and he knows where that's at or doctor

2108
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:50,340
put off or anybody I think that would be

2109
01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:52,500
a really cool thing to to leak out and

2110
01:21:54,590 --> 01:21:53,400
to find

2111
01:21:56,209 --> 01:21:54,600
um because then that would be you know

2112
01:21:57,229 --> 01:21:56,219
more official

2113
01:22:00,050 --> 01:21:57,239
um

2114
01:22:03,530 --> 01:22:00,060
trying to think if there's anything

2115
01:22:04,910 --> 01:22:03,540
I think the last thing I would say is I

2116
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:04,920
think we do have to look at the Army

2117
01:22:08,930 --> 01:22:07,199
aspect to all of this

2118
01:22:10,850 --> 01:22:08,940
um if you were to look at the major

2119
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:10,860
branches of the military like the big

2120
01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:13,679
three no offense you know uh to our

2121
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:16,920
Marines uh but you know Navy Army Air

2122
01:22:21,050 --> 01:22:18,239
Force who do you think has the least

2123
01:22:22,729 --> 01:22:21,060
amount of UFO material in their

2124
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:22,739
possession if they if they had if all

2125
01:22:29,390 --> 01:22:24,840
three had them hypothetically who do you

2126
01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:29,400
think is Navy yeah Army Air Force Navy

2127
01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:30,120
um

2128
01:22:33,890 --> 01:22:31,980
I guess

2129
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:33,900
you know if

2130
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:36,600
I guess Army but that I don't want that

2131
01:22:40,189 --> 01:22:38,159
to come off the wrong way that they

2132
01:22:43,610 --> 01:22:40,199
don't have any right no I don't think

2133
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:43,620
this makes it seem it seems like they

2134
01:22:48,590 --> 01:22:46,620
would have a lesser amount but they were

2135
01:22:51,169 --> 01:22:48,600
heavily involved in the beginning that's

2136
01:22:52,669 --> 01:22:51,179
for sure which which if that was taken

2137
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:52,679
out of their custody like let's say by

2138
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:56,159
Doe sure I mean that would be that would

2139
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:58,320
make them probably pretty upset and it

2140
01:23:01,729 --> 01:22:59,280
would probably make them pretty

2141
01:23:04,610 --> 01:23:01,739
proactive to want to do everything they

2142
01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:04,620
can to get information and and kind of

2143
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:05,880
reinsert themselves into that

2144
01:23:09,770 --> 01:23:07,920
conversation and so you know I talked

2145
01:23:12,050 --> 01:23:09,780
about task force Delta

2146
01:23:14,810 --> 01:23:12,060
um you know as sort of this overarching

2147
01:23:16,430 --> 01:23:14,820
um uh task force that was Blue Sky

2148
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,440
Thinking I don't think it would hurt

2149
01:23:21,229 --> 01:23:18,960
anything at all for people to Foy that

2150
01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:21,239
um and and you know I I don't want to

2151
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,440
disparage

2152
01:23:26,570 --> 01:23:24,480
um you know the the karate agreement

2153
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:26,580
from too long ago but you're you know

2154
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:29,280
we're talking about the Army is getting

2155
01:23:32,270 --> 01:23:30,719
into an agreement to get just a few

2156
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:32,280
little bits and pieces of some stuff

2157
01:23:39,950 --> 01:23:35,820
that does not sound like uh you know a

2158
01:23:41,209 --> 01:23:39,960
branch that has an internship right it

2159
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:41,219
sounds like they're on the outside

2160
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:43,560
they're on the outside looking in and

2161
01:23:48,590 --> 01:23:46,020
you know it's possible you know we know

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01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,600
that you know uh Dr putoff told Jacques

2163
01:23:52,370 --> 01:23:50,880
ballet that you know Colonel Alexander

2164
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,380
was more of a he was an action officer

2165
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:54,239
it's not like he was just doing this all

2166
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,880
on his own he was working you know at

2167
01:24:00,590 --> 01:23:59,040
the behest of his superiors and we know

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01:24:01,910 --> 01:24:00,600
that Major General stubblebine was one

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01:24:03,709 --> 01:24:01,920
of those superiors but he probably

2170
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:03,719
wasn't the only one he didn't you know

2171
01:24:06,830 --> 01:24:05,040
Major General subtle Bond didn't start

2172
01:24:09,169 --> 01:24:06,840
Task Force Delta

2173
01:24:11,090 --> 01:24:09,179
um uh I I don't know if he started the

2174
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,100
advanced human technology office which

2175
01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:13,440
is what uh Colonel John Alexander uh ran

2176
01:24:17,390 --> 01:24:14,760
I believe

2177
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:17,400
um but you know I think that those

2178
01:24:24,110 --> 01:24:20,880
initiatives kind of flowed down and and

2179
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,120
uh through from task force Delta

2180
01:24:27,649 --> 01:24:25,920
um and so I do think that there we need

2181
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:27,659
to kind of look at at that as a

2182
01:24:32,030 --> 01:24:30,120
possibility to almost like a

2183
01:24:33,890 --> 01:24:32,040
um rival not rivalry but sort of

2184
01:24:35,930 --> 01:24:33,900
competition between branches to figure

2185
01:24:37,310 --> 01:24:35,940
out who has what how can we get access

2186
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:37,320
to that

2187
01:24:41,570 --> 01:24:38,880
um I also think there's maybe something

2188
01:24:43,550 --> 01:24:41,580
going on you know between CIA and an

2189
01:24:45,530 --> 01:24:43,560
essay trying to you know especially with

2190
01:24:47,169 --> 01:24:45,540
intelligence gathering stuff like remote

2191
01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:47,179
viewing and

2192
01:24:56,290 --> 01:24:52,380
they all have UFO stuff uh right Dia NSA

2193
01:24:59,450 --> 01:24:56,300
CIA Navy yeah um

2194
01:25:02,090 --> 01:24:59,460
yeah they all have like I found

2195
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:02,100
documents you know where NSA has

2196
01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:05,280
hundreds of UFO reports you know just

2197
01:25:10,370 --> 01:25:08,520
one one cheat one cup few lines this

2198
01:25:13,810 --> 01:25:10,380
came over here blah blah you know they

2199
01:25:16,910 --> 01:25:13,820
they all have stuff so yeah you know

2200
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,920
I'm sure there is a little uh

2201
01:25:20,689 --> 01:25:18,960
competition for who knows what you know

2202
01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:20,699
and how they can learn more while the

2203
01:25:23,810 --> 01:25:21,960
other Branch doesn't want to tell them

2204
01:25:25,790 --> 01:25:23,820
anything you know that sort of thing for

2205
01:25:28,910 --> 01:25:25,800
sure yeah yeah those Dynamics are really

2206
01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:28,920
interesting and so anyway euphoia guys

2207
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,320
and and gals that are out there do it I

2208
01:25:35,149 --> 01:25:33,120
I want to I'm not a foia person but I

2209
01:25:36,410 --> 01:25:35,159
would love to just see just I mean I

2210
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,420
won't see it but I would just love to

2211
01:25:41,090 --> 01:25:38,400
know that they are that we're basically

2212
01:25:44,350 --> 01:25:41,100
ruining their lives by burying them and

2213
01:25:48,890 --> 01:25:46,910
I just want to say yeah but that would

2214
01:25:50,330 --> 01:25:48,900
be great having stuff from passports is

2215
01:25:51,709 --> 01:25:50,340
also would be great in that briefing

2216
01:25:53,630 --> 01:25:51,719
book you're absolutely right all that

2217
01:25:57,649 --> 01:25:53,640
stuff would be wonderful

2218
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:57,659
um yeah Sean well yeah I just want to

2219
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,000
thank you for for doing this I really

2220
01:26:04,430 --> 01:26:02,159
appreciate it in the work that you put

2221
01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:04,440
into it the loose threads Vapor I

2222
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:06,600
suggest everybody read it but uh and he

2223
01:26:11,450 --> 01:26:07,679
has a

2224
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:11,460
articles too uh on his website that I

2225
01:26:15,410 --> 01:26:13,260
suggest you read

2226
01:26:17,689 --> 01:26:15,420
um a very very interesting mind and I

2227
01:26:21,169 --> 01:26:17,699
love how he puts things together so I I

2228
01:26:23,629 --> 01:26:21,179
do recommend it so check that out and

2229
01:26:25,610 --> 01:26:23,639
thank you again for stopping by and Jay

2230
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,620
it was pleasure with you know hanging

2231
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,360
out with you as always and it was a

2232
01:26:31,790 --> 01:26:29,760
little later than we usually do but I

2233
01:26:33,890 --> 01:26:31,800
did appreciate it

2234
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:33,900
um in the laundry room lived up to the

2235
01:26:39,790 --> 01:26:37,199
hype by the way was awesome so that's

2236
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:39,800
right peyote laundry room

2237
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:43,380
100 it's great to see you Mega it's

2238
01:26:49,010 --> 01:26:45,840
great to see you too Sean yeah and

2239
01:26:50,270 --> 01:26:49,020
everybody in the in the crowd thanks for

2240
01:26:52,129 --> 01:26:50,280
hanging out

2241
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,139
absolutely everybody what's up to

2242
01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:54,239
everybody uh yeah buy your tickets for

2243
01:26:56,990 --> 01:26:55,620
Saturday buy your tickets yeah for

2244
01:26:59,709 --> 01:26:57,000
Saturday is there still tickets left I

2245
01:27:02,649 --> 01:26:59,719
think thank you Omega yes

2246
01:27:06,290 --> 01:27:02,659
there we go yes and I'm gonna be there

2247
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:06,300
and the phenomena yes you are and uh and

2248
01:27:12,169 --> 01:27:09,600
Sean's gonna get his link and yes uh for

2249
01:27:14,330 --> 01:27:12,179
anybody out there I'll put a link in the

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01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:14,340
comments for this video

2251
01:27:18,830 --> 01:27:16,860
um we've got Christopher melon uh who's

2252
01:27:20,330 --> 01:27:18,840
gonna be interviewed by Leslie Kane live

2253
01:27:24,050 --> 01:27:20,340
on stage that's going to be amazing

2254
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:24,060
Leslie Kane we've got some surprises

2255
01:27:27,649 --> 01:27:26,280
um we also have uh Ralph Blumenthal it's

2256
01:27:30,110 --> 01:27:27,659
actually the first time that Ralph

2257
01:27:32,510 --> 01:27:30,120
Blumenthal and Leslie have done an event

2258
01:27:35,570 --> 01:27:32,520
together uh we're kind of celebrating

2259
01:27:38,090 --> 01:27:35,580
five years uh since the five year

2260
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:38,100
anniversary of their December 2017 New

2261
01:27:41,450 --> 01:27:40,260
York Times article uh Jeff [\h__\h] is

2262
01:27:43,490 --> 01:27:41,460
going to be there Whitley Streeper is

2263
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,500
going to be there Sharon Hewitt Rowlett

2264
01:27:46,970 --> 01:27:45,120
is going to be there she's on the Bix

2265
01:27:49,310 --> 01:27:46,980
board we are talking about Bix a little

2266
01:27:51,530 --> 01:27:49,320
bit earlier and uh it's gonna be awesome

2267
01:27:54,590 --> 01:27:51,540
uh the great iandoli is going to be

2268
01:27:57,470 --> 01:27:54,600
there uh Priscilla Stone myself and

2269
01:27:59,870 --> 01:27:57,480
that's that's and uh

2270
01:28:01,310 --> 01:27:59,880
thanks and uh Kelly Chase is going to be

2271
01:28:04,129 --> 01:28:01,320
there it's going to be awesome uh we're

2272
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,139
gonna have a lot of fun so uh yeah folks

2273
01:28:08,330 --> 01:28:06,000
if if you'd love if you'd like to hang

2274
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:08,340
out on Saturday please join us it'll be

2275
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,600
a lot of fun

2276
01:28:13,790 --> 01:28:11,040
with that being said thank you everybody

2277
01:28:16,430 --> 01:28:13,800
for hanging out with us tonight and we

2278
01:28:18,530 --> 01:28:16,440
will see you I don't know maybe next

2279
01:28:22,910 --> 01:28:18,540
week for a another installment of view

2280
01:28:27,570 --> 01:28:22,920
AP News love it see y'all love you buddy

2281
01:28:32,270 --> 01:28:27,580
love you too see y'all later bye see ya